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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Packrat


    15000 pa?

    You say that should include reunification of families.

    I assume you're aware that on average each successful IPA beings in 20 family members with some going as high as 70?

    (These are verified Dutch figures previously posted here last week)

    So in fact you're suggesting that we limit it to 750 successful applications pa.

    Yes, that would be a sensible strategy, but I doubt it'll fly.

    This year we are on track for 25 to 30k applicants if which (let's be optimistic) 30% will succeed... and they each then bring 20 legally...

    Can you see where this is going?

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    No. They can come and get money and free healthcare.

    Y'know, the stuff you and I go to work for everyday for.

    Ireland is a free for all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Why are migrants getting free tents or being put up on hotels in the first place shouldn't they be sent home on a plane ?

    Those without papers thrown in jail ?

    Am I missing something here ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Brixton Sticky Owl


    The most sickening thing about all this for me is the scandalous misuse of the money I contribute into the tax system. And I include going towards our own homegrown wasters alongside illegal immigrants chancing their arm in that cohort. They are all the same to me.

    It has utterly depressed me lately and really has me questioning a lot considering I'm one of those struggling to save for a home whilst renting.

    A part of me is like, what is the point in working hard on being a contributing member of society and doing things by the book.

    My car tax and insurance is due this week. I've just given another 1100 to revenue from my weekly. The amount of folks on the road with no tax and insurance because of under resourced policing while they are all elsewhere but sure I'll fooking pay it like a fool. I haven't seen a checkpoint in years.

    It all seems seems **** pointless to be honest!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Your spot on fella regarding trying to get a home . Governments plan is to buy all the do uppers aswell and leave us with fcuk all driving price up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,888 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    I'm always kinda confused how this thread isn't on the 'Trending' tab. It must be one of, if not the most active threads on Boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I doubt it, short term pain for long term gain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭ooter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    And I'll add to this.

    Anyone coming now whether they're Ukrainians or IPOs know very well the problems in this country.

    They are making it worse and shouldn't be coming.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Gone very difficult in terms of hotels unless you pay top dollar for a fancy golf place etc. Best to look for house to rent, Airbnb etc. Though even then, smaller enterprises that relied on summer tourism like childrens activities and so on have been under pressure and closing due to lack of business. Don't worry though, if you want a meal, you'll likely be served by some non national who's taken the work off the local student population.

    Our sincere thanks to the government and the current green minister for wrecking domestic tourism in the west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,390 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Hotel staff around the country were often foreign 10, even 20 years ago though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Can't usefully reply, as anecdotes as we all know, are not allowed..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Packrat


    You should try (actually, no, I hope it doesn't happen to you) having children who need health intervention or CAMHS and not being able to get help for them due to overcrowding, canceled scheduled surgeries and 'funding issues' all whilst paying similarly scandalous amounts of income tax.

    Can't post the specifics as that would be posting "anecdotes" which I probably made up...

    Then see how much angrier you'll be...

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Brixton Sticky Owl


    I seen a documentary in 2015 about scoliosis. It is etched in my mind to this day. I'm so sorry for any family dealing with these things. Gross mismanagement.

    Anyone that says differently is a fool as many Govt supporters would say.

    A country is a society first and foremost, then an economy. The Govt have ripped up the social contract.

    How we treat some of our most vulnerable certainly makes me feel uneasy about the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Agree with everything you say ...except the last paragraph .

    I don't agree that many are so excercised about the issue ... annoyed, yes , and want McEntee and others to step up and sort it.

    But not enough to go to a very well publicised protest march on a grey bank holiday Monday . The crowd attending would be a turn off for sure for many people in the middle .

    It certainly is going to be one of the issues in the European elections and next GE but it has moved down the list of priorities again with the voting public .

    Housing is back up there well ahead this month .

    All of the issues that affect voters are dynamic but housing is consistently up there for the last year topping the list of voter concerns . Health going down and up , people always worried about that .

    Also SF moving up again in polls think because of their newfound stronger stance on immigration .

    Lets face it we all knew they would pivot seeing as the majority of their voters are the most vocal about immigration .

    The majority of those polled who are for border checkpoints were SF voters which is ironic given how that would affect the Irish in the North if implemented. Be more a coup for Unionists, especially hardliners if that was to happen at this stage .

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/poll-50pc-in-favour-of-migrant-checkpoints-at-the-border-with-northern-ireland/a420206090.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    What about the public health issue of toilet facilities for the Grand Canal tents?

    According to RTE "Most of those sleeping in the tents say they are staying warm, but are having to walk 30 minutes to access toilet and shower facilities."

    Can you imagine what goes on during the night when somebody is caught short? An open sewer in the heart of the city centre. Un-effing believable really.

    I pity any tourist who's spent a small fortune booking an overpriced holiday in Dublin's scarce accommodation. What great memories they'll be taking home with them.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Brixton Sticky Owl


    The water flows into Grand Canal Dock where there'll be young fellas and young wans jumping in on the hot days. Surely an e-coli risk!?

    Not that anyone should be jumping in there anyway but they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,390 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    it's not really unique to dublin though. paris, rome, brussels, berlin, london, all still get plenty of tourists but have migrant camps nowadays, far bigger than the grand canal one too. tenerife has a massive tent city too, madrid has the biggest shanty town in europe. my brother lives in malta and its full of homeless migrants too. tourists can handle the sight of a few tents it seems.

    this is the new europe and is only going to keep getting worse



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And fg / ff to blame for allowing them in. They should be transported down to the most remote parts of the country. See how easily they make their way back them. Or else offer them free flights home to their " war torn" countries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,390 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    where in the country do you think locals will be accepting of this setup?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I think we in the "remote parts of the country" have more than taken our share of Ukes and Illegals. Kerry has 33 times the ratio of Dunlaoghaire and 7 times the national average.

    How's dem apples....

    Suddenly It's an issue when they're camping and sh1tting in Dublin..

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭tarvis


    I found it via Google from The Guardian- child’s funeral in France yesterday or the day before



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    The fact that it exists in other countries doesn't make it ok that it should exist here. The issues in places like Spain and France have different historic reasons and vast slums have developed there as a result. Their cities are also much larger and you don't find shanty towns in the heart of the most affluent commercial and residential areas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭dirk_dangler


    It would all end in the morning if the Government announced they will give no social welfare to these new immigrants, its that simple, problem solved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭DialecticAspirations


    When I view the forum homepage on Chrome it shows "Latest Posts", but not "Trending", and this thread does appear under that at the moment, and I've seen it there very often in the past.

    But when I view the forum homepage in MS Edge, it shows "Trending" and "Latest Posts" and it shows the Migrant Checkpoint thread in both, but this thread is not in "Trending". But the Checkpoint thread has had only around ~42 posts today, compared to >100 posts in this thread.

    So it is a bit weird but maybe there's an explanation in how it's coded….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,390 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    you do actually, there have been migrant camps set up in mayfair, a very fancy part of london. there was one by marble arch for a while when i lived there. they only cleared one from central paris the other day too

    https://apnews.com/article/france-paris-olympics-migrants-police-security-camp-2dde4d2cccb8b7d9b9914c3798530fe5

    i'm not saying this means they should exist here, i was responding to someone saying tourists will be horrified, but it's pretty much part and parcel with many tourist destinations in europe nowadays



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