The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Split Kerry first i'd say .

It's because the GAA isn't a court of law, and is a sporting organisation, that it can be done. The argument has been won on the merits of a split (decades ago in fact) due to the current unfairness. So it'd be a matter of explaining the merits of split, apologising to Dublin for allowing this situation to develop and then proceeding. Sure, there may be some cranks in Dublin who would refuse to participate if it's only via fairer divisional sides. But if the choice was between competing in a divisional side, or not competing at all, most players would opt for the chance to challenge for Sam Maguire. And even better, they would know they are no longer doing so from an unfairly advantaged platform so they could take real pride in their successes, unlike at present.

I think 2 Kerry rivalries would develop really quickly actually , and there supporters might start enjoying there victories again , also it would give the weaker Counties in Munster a little hope after over a century of Kerry domination

your commentary really is a joke at this stage. You don’t actually know if you’re coming or going. On the one hand you talk about integrity and fairness yet on the other hand you refuse to engage on any of the myriad unfair advantages that it’s been pointed out exist for your own team

Tell you what, why not let RoyalCelt answer instead of sticking your oar in with your standard nonsense. You after all a) are incapable of seeing the wider, longer problem, b) don’t care about Leinster or provincials (except when someone has a proposal that might affect your own counties dominance of Munster) c) given a) and b) you have no concept of how unlevel the playing field has been since long before Dublin were on top

But you claimed that that structure was and is unfair? But you're okay with it in Dublin's case. Interesting- shows your partisan bias again, which contrasts unfavourably with those of us who just want what is best for the GAA as a whole. Not saying I agree with you, just pointing out your hypocrisy, again.

Your information is quite out of date anyway. Excluding the covid years, the provincials-semi-final only route hasn't existed since 2000. There has been the backdoor, the Super-8s, the group stages etc since then. Even then, pre-2001, no county had the advantages that Dublin did. And Dublin's unfair advantages are much worse today too.

Per head of population, Kerry vs Cork was far, far better attended than the Leinster semi-finals this year, which Dublin participated in. Which shows again how not splitting Dublin is harmful to the game in Dublin too.

It involves a lot more matches, a lot of restructuring of games etc. Whereas Dublin would just be a matter of divvying up population. No need for new stadiums or anything, just some new jerseys and crests and away we go. But most importantly, it definitely isn't fairer, for the reasons I've given- as Dublin are still a single entity, their unfair advantages in population, funding, playing at home etc have not been addressed. We'd be back discussing how Dublin alone are competing unfairly again next year, as always. That's the main issue facing gaelic games.

Splitting Dublin alone helps all counties in multiple ways, but the main is that the competition is being harmed terrible atm because of Dublin alone being uniquely unfairly advantaged. But if we split Dublin, we address this, which enhances the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition and by extension all teams who participate. It may benefit the smaller counties more, yes, as they are less competitive currently than the stronger teams, but I'm happy to make that tradeoff.

And also regards 1st point you raised, how does it involve a lot more matches.

Provincial Championships replace O'Byrne and similar, Open draw replaces league, quarters onwards fairly similar. Pretty much exact same number of games a year, only a bit more mixed up, more gate receipts for smaller counties as they get bigger games than just division 4 matches, some tougher or easier games for all but no different than the mis matches we see in Leinster and Munster now, except Kerry, Dublin, Galway and Mayo may suddenly be facing Donegal, Derry, Roscommon early for positional rights in quarters

As I said already, it enhances the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition- just as all counties are currently harmed by Dublin competing off of a platform of unfair advantages, all counties will benefit from splitting Dublin. Interest and participation will increase, particularly for the less competitive teams. The improvements will be marginal to begin with, but will be more pronounced over the years. One thing is for sure- not splitting Dublin will do irreparable damage to the competition and all counties who participate. I actually had a similar discussion with another poster, Yeah Right, recently where I showed to him conclusively how splitting Dublin helps Leitrim for instance.

The boundaries will obviously a bit of discussion, debate, negotiation, compromise but it's really not that difficult- it could be done in a few months. Stadiums and etc can be shared so no issues there. Yes there will be some details that need hammering out but it's easily doable.

I think sponsorship should be centrally pooled and shared with all counties anyway, so your point about Dublin SouthEast vs Dublin NorthWest in a final isn't really relevant. Even that would be preferable to the status quo though, where all Dublin's unfair advantages are concentrated into a single entity, doing terrible damage to all counties.

Again you don't want what's best for the GAA. This is pure nonsense , all you want is to get Kerry back to dominating by splitting Dublin .

More nonsense , everyone knows Kerry supporters only support there County in big numbers for finals . This shows again how not splitting Kerry is harmful for the game

Again Kerry are uniquely unfairly advantaged for over a a century, if we split Kerry we address this and this will enhance the prestige .integrity and fairness of the competition , this will benefit all Counties including Kerry .

Ah ok, I thought thats what you were getting at.

Anyway - to the point you challenged me on; would it really be an advantage for Dublin in your view if they went straight to a Quarter Final. For years, Galway went straight to the semi final in hurling, and actually there was a debate as to whether they were helped by it as they were straight into big matches against battle hardened teams.

The trade off could potentially be a revitalised Leinster Championships that will of course lead to the return of the Royal county as a vibrant force in the all Ireland senior mens football championship. Thats a trade off worth taking.

When youve got lads like Dean Rock saying they dont know how many Leinster titles they have, then you really have to say that Dublin dont care about this competition.

Unless it works for Wicklow v Cork changing Dublin is only a temporary sticking plaster, that only benefits the next most dominant club at that time.

Then is it fair to make Wicklow on par with Cork. Doesn't feel like it.