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Racing TV and Sky Sports Racing may be affected by new gambling bill

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The suggestion is that there’s no sound rationale to distinguish between horse racing and other sports in this regard, horse racing is not the only sport that bets are placed on.

    Having the capacity to replace UK with Irish advertising doesn’t mean it can be done in all cases. That is not a cost free endeavour. There is a finite pot of buying available, a broadcaster has to weigh up the cost of additional satellite space, EPG charges etc and hope that the revenue they will attract will at least pay for the costs of offering the service. Despite this one consequence of this move is that this may be the spur for several channels that don’t currently have ROI advertising opt outs to launch them, I am thinking TNT Sports in particular, having seen several gambling adverts on it during this weeks FAPL midweek fixtures.

    However it may also be the case that rather than turn down gambling adverts other broadcasters, who are not particularly targeting Ireland, will pull their services from Ireland entirely. This isn’t scaremongering, we saw this post Brexit when several UK broadcasters pulled their services from ROI EPGs rather than take out EU licenses because it didn’t pay for them to do so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭AJB39


    It’s been dropped from the schedule for this week due to the knock on effects on the schedule from the change in Taoiseach. I presume it’ll be back on the schedule for next week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭AJB39


    It’s not on the schedule for next week either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Before you know it the dail will be on hoildays than when they come back they will be getting ready for an election and the gambling bill will be left to the next government



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084


    Debate now scheduled for next Wednesday 24th April.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084


    Update on what may happen on Wednesday:

    https://www.theirishfield.ie/racing/racing-news/news-minister-plans-gambling-bill-amendments-814649

    (Should be readable - 5 free articles per month for all users)



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Its going to be very interesting to see how this plays out. Will james browne call the racing industrys bluff or will be end up with these stations geoblocked?



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Having publicly said they will do withdraw from the Irish market they (Sky-ATR and RTV) kind of have to go through with it. Still don’t get how Sky Sports Golf merits an opt out on advertising revenue (and I am partial to a bit of the PGA Tour from time to time) but Sky Sports Racing doesn’t. I suspect it could be made work, but having made the threat they have to follow through with it.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If the UK Channells do pull the plug will that leave a gap for Irish FTA channels to buy the rights to show the racing?



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    It could, I guess, if they are able to pull out of their existing deals, they could probably argue that this is an event outside their control which means that they could hand back the rights.

    But who would pick them up? VMTV already don’t show all of the horse racing that’s available for them to show, as part of their deal for ITV Racing. What makes you think they would pick up more at this point?

    Maybe the Irish side of what Racing TV have. Would cash strapped RTE be willing to pick up the day to day stuff for broadcast to a small audience during the day on weekdays, constrained by the same limitation on selling betting advertising? For TG4, the issue is they’d need to do their own presentation and commentary, and wouldn’t be able to rely on any “world feed” in that regard, because it would have to be in Irish. Again would the costs outweigh the benefits of mainly daytime programming to a small audience?

    Unless Premier Sports, perhaps, might be interested and if they could make it work by simply relaying RTV (as Setanta did in the past - remember that giant full colour DOG to overlay over the RUK, as was, one?).

    But either way, and discounting VMTV who already can’t show all the racing they have rights to, I can’t see any taker for the sheer breadth of what might come on the market if these channels go, and I imagine only a fraction of the more attractive meetings would be picked up.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084


    I doubt any Irish channel would pick them up, although TG4 do cover a lot of the meetings that RTÉ don't but again no FTA terrestrial type broadcaster is going to cover racing every day, there just isn't the demand for it outside of die hard enthusiasts.

    Remember also Horse Racing Ireland are in a contract for pictures with SIS until 2027. SIS provide the pictures to RTV, so that would all have to be renegotiated. It doesn't affect SIS in betting shops as there is no advertising on it anyway. Bizarrely, it doesn't affect bookmakers streaming racing on their websites either, with many of them requiring you to place a bet first to watch a race.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    there just isn't the demand for it outside of die hard enthusiasts.

    I think what you said maybe why this bill will.maybe pass.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084


    Back in the Dail again this Wednesday evening, seems to be a rush to get it through.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084


    Bill passed in the Dail on Wednesday evening.

    Latest news in this Irish Times report on HRI's strategic plan for 2024-28. The CEO of HRI said they have been working with Racing TV on a solution to the advertising problem. This first suggestion was a little 'cost prohibitive' so they apparently are still working on it.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/2024/04/30/horse-racing-ireland-unveils-its-new-strategic-plan-for-2024-28/



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084


    There seems to have been a significant development in the future of Racing TV in Ireland on Friday evening, this weeks Irish Field is claiming an exclusive that the channel will stay on air even if the Gambling Regulation Bill is enacted without any further advertising amendments. Apparently a 'Plan B' has been put in place between bookmakers and broadcasters.

    https://www.theirishfield.ie/racing/racing-news/exclusive-racing-channels-set-to-stay-on-air-817374

    They have unfortunately set the story to subscriber only so I won't see any more details until the print edition is available on Saturday.

    The Gambling Regulation Bill is scheduled for Seanad debate on Tuesday.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Did a Minister actually get something done that he said he would do?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I think Martin Stevenson needs to be sat down an explained that the Irish State is not under UK Rule and Ofcom have no say as its a Non National body



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Not true - while Ofcom don’t had any jurisdiction here, the channel still needs to comply with Ofcom rules to be available in the UK.

    After all, the issue here is essentially that there isn’t separate UK and Irish versions of the channel in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I still dont see how ofcom could have any say if they set up an irish stream as they would have to go by irish/EU rules.

    What i could see is RTV pulling the pin and Sky Sports Racing stepping in with an irish stream and taking the rights to irish racing to show along with there existing rights.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The issue is that they don’t have a separate Irish feed and they don’t want to have one (they say it doesn’t pay).

    In fact they are required to have an EU license (not necessarily and in fact unlikely to be Irish) to broadcast in Ireland already, and that has been the case since Brexit. (Before Brexit a UK license would have done fine for Ireland). That doesn’t alleviate them of the need to have a UK license too, and to follow Ofcom’s rules, in respect of broadcasting in the UK. With a single feed serving both UK and Ireland they effectively have to follow both sets of rules.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Is it not a case if they set up a seperate Irish Only stream that the bookmakers were willing to stump up extra cash to make it happen and thats were the confusion is. The irish Field would not have run with the orignal story unless they had a heard something was in works.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    They are denying that was ever the case now, apparently. And of course they would have to as they are running on the argument that separate feeds are unviable.

    To be fair in the case of the solution which was suggested, if it is against Ofcom rules in the UK, then I don’t see how it could be implemented without having totally separate channels for the UK and Ireland - I mean not just separate advertising but separate presentation too. That would alleviate any duty to abide by Ofcom rules, but the costs would be far more than simply setting up a separate Irish advertising opt out, so I don’t see it how it could be more valuable even with bookies paying more for airtime.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,634 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Either way we will know this week when it goes to the senate for approval.

    I taught the piece in the irish field was very interesting were they said there was no political will to do anything about it.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭mike2084


    Was watching Racing TV for about 90 minutes this evening and I only noticed 2 gambling ads during that time - the same one for Coral twice. I'm going to keep an eye on it and see has there been some type of a reduction in the past few days. Though they are not really ads as you would know on a mainstream channel they are more like break bumpers, the longest any of them last is thirty seconds.



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