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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,528 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ukraine need up to 500k additional soldiers this year according to Zelensky. Not much use if they are not even in the country. Most of the people who would volunteer are in already, dead or injured, hence conscription, hardly unusual in an existential fight.

    That's war, it is brutal and not nice. It ain't Russian voluntary labour that are going in to the meat grinder in Putins vision of a rebuilt Soviet Union.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Ukraine has decided to deny consular services to conscriptable personnel located overseas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    The question is can military production spread across numerous western countries match Russia on full war economy mode and supplied by its axis of evil.
    it all depends on the political situation in those western countries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    I see no lessons were learned in over two years and people still overestimate Russia based on their propaganda and think of them as a big massive bear with endless resources

    Russia economy is only 2.5x more than Ireland’s (maybe less as they lie lie lie), It is 20x less than EU, 50x less than “west”, 2% of NATO gdps is larger than whole Russian economy

    Not only can the west outspend Russia especially in long term but we have done it before bringing down the much larger USSR (that included Ukraine and more) who in their final days also started a colonial war they lost and were not able to keep up with western economies

    Edit: ISW puts it much more eloquently than I can here

    Post edited by zerosquared on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I will just park this here.

    Screenshot from sky news.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    They will probably be asked again to go to Ukraine in order to commute their sentence in prison again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,528 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If the will is there, easily.

    The will part is the big problem.

    The rearmament of Europe will have to be with Russia in mind, Russian allies like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, China, North Korea, it will also have to take in to account regional instability in Sub Saharan Africa from rapidly growing Islamist threats and who knows what else may pop up.

    The West and especially Europe need to become serious about defense capabilities and the range and depth of opponents now lining up against us and none of them are interested in peaceful coexistence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Thought this was interesting

    There are numerous examples of the above over the last 3624 pages, tho thankfully there are also multiple posters who repeatedly burst the Russian reality distortion bubbles (farts?) being blown, by pointing out that the emperor is not only naked but is an enuch



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,477 ✭✭✭Field east


    how sure are you of the military related output of the Russian war economy. Is it based on what Putin says it is or what. Also , what is the quality of that output. Putin would like us to believe that all production facilities are at their maximum output and that they are all on three shifts, etc.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,486 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Russia can probably produce unguided basic quality artillery shells and refurbished ex-Soviet-stockpile tanks faster than the combined West. The combined West can outproduce Russia on everthing else.

    If you have come to believe that basic unguided artillery shells and turret tossing tanks are the most important weapons, you should ask yourself, is this because the decadent and foolish West is incapable of producing such things, or is it possible that rational choices have been made to invest in other items?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭wassie


    Aussies announced more support

    Today’s announcement by the Albanese Government includes:

    ·       A $50 million package of military assistance with the support of Australian defence industry

    ·      This includes $30 million towards uncrewed aerial systems, and $15 million towards other high priority equipment, such as combat helmets, rigid hull inflatable boats, boots, fire masks and generators.

    ·       $50 million for short range air defence systems.

    ·       The delivery of air-to-ground precision munitions.

    This takes Australia’s military assistance to $880 million since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and brings Australia’s overall support for Ukraine to over $1 billion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And it seems that not only has the Lada been phased out as reparations for a deceased family member, but the bag of spuds also and has been replaced by a bar of chocolate……



  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭junkyarddog


    They really can't help themselves can they!🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I know the military people are filming that to prove that they did the hand over and gift. It's still wrong for them to be releasing that moment to the online world. The couple look to be living in poverty as is. It's like they are being made fun of and mocked. By both the gift and how it was done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭zerosquared




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I reckon that even if the US and Western Europe completely succumbed to Russian propaganda and stopped all aid there is enough resistance between Ukraine , Poland , Finland , Sweden etc to keep Russia boxed in . It’s a hopeless situation for them and only a matter of time. Even when things have been ‘ going well’ for them, with the world distracted by other theatres of war , in the second half of 2023 early 24 what progress have they made ?? Hitler had reached the Caucasus by this stage in world war 2. This is one of the most pathetic invasions in history and would be comical if it wasn’t so vicious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I’m just going by what your man says in that video above. He states that Russia is in full war economy mode. This is killing the Russian economy and driving people out of Russia in their droves according to him. Those who remain are enticed by high wages in the military industries which are being pumped full of money and civilian industry can’t compete. This is driving inflation to 16%. He is an economist from Russia exiled in Uzbekistan so he is fairly close to the action.



  • Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    Maybe it's just that we became accustomed to seeing wars panned out in a certain way. I grew up in the era of "desert storm" and it seemed unimaginable then that modern militaries could revert to a WW1 style trench warfare.

    Yet here we are.

    Both sides posses anti-tank and air defences that have nullified their use on a large scale in this war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    As said before it's a matter of time.

    2/3 years until Russia's weapons stockpiles dry up and they'll be down to whatever they can produce monthly or import from abroad.

    Economically they'll probably be able to keep this going for a few years aswell. But that's the depressing thing. We have to watch weekly Ukraine suffer until Russia finally **** itself. We're already 2 year's and 2 months in I wish I could just fast forward to 2026/7.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    If I'm not mistaken the officer handing over the letter would appear to be air force, so presumably the fallen son was not some "worthless" poor, untrained casualty of a human wave attack, either?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Starting a war without a serious advantage over your opponent is a disaster . Unless it’s a blitzkrieg or desert storm or Falkland island type campaign it’s a waste of time. This war is clearly not in that category . It should be about an exit strategy for Russia now and economic recovery but they are going the complete opposite way. And their economy and demographics just don’t suppprt that. They can’t stay throwing meat into the grinder to capture obscure towns and villages indefinitely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Putin canceled this years victory parade as he is afraid it showcase more Ukrainian equipment than Russian



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    That's an interesting development. Seen videos of various Western origin equipment being moved into Moscow. Seems it for an exhibition rather than this year's parade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭denismc


    Interesting video discussing artillery shell production, it explains very well the difficulties faced by both sides in the war.

    It's not as black and white as people here suggest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, the badges are Aircorp, but the background is something else, plastic sheeting over timber frames, and the women's dress is Chechen. Personally, I'd be going with human wave. Normally, the officer would be from the unit the deceased was a member of though, so I don't have an explanation for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin will continue on the same path, because for him, it's a do or die situation. The US coming through with the 60Billion, and discussions ongoing about future aid was a massive kick in the teeth to Putin. Ordinary Russians (and the Silovicki and Oligarchs too) are feeling more and more the bad effects of the costs of the war, and it will get worse for them as the available cash fund dwindles. The next 6 mths will be critical, especially when the effects of the new armament's make themselves felt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It's the Russian way, these are very poor people (Chechen, I'd say) and that's all the recognition their sons' death is deserving of in their eyes. Russia is rotten to the core.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Ah, but there was a plan, including the end game, all thought out and organized. Just like Crimea, the Russian military would " Blitzkrieg" Ukraine, it would all be over in a week or two, and the new Putin Government installed. The new rulers had already picked out which buildings and apartments they would occupy (after the rightful owners were ejected, of course) and they had even packed their dress uniforms for the celebratory ball. And then came Zelenski……and as they say, the rest is history. So now, it's all on Putin's head.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    On bbc they made an interesting political points that wasn’t raised here

    Trump put his support behind speaker of house because:

    • he is in serious trouble in courts and he can see Ukraine as not an issue that get him votes
    • MTG went after him and he has a thing about women attacking him, he can’t lose control of the nutcase fringe either to someone even more mad
    • someone must have pointed out that if he does become president, Ukraine being annexed and losing would sink him much more than Afghanistan withdrawal damaged Biden



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