Why I'll say no to a united ireland

Just to be clear, this is not a statement of support.....but the IRA absolutely weren't 0% Protestant, Downcow.

There were fewer protestants in the pIRA than there were Jews in the Nazi army. Yes, there were some Jews in the German military too:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/ellen-feldman-nazi-germany

https://vote.sinnfein.ie/ireland-must-opt-out-of-eu-asylum-and-migration-pact-measures-that-are-not-in-irelands-interests-chris-macmanus-mep/

I see that Sinn Fein now want to close the border.

"Speaking today, Chris MacManus said:

“Sinn Féin are opposed to open borders. We believe that Ireland needs a well-managed migration system – one that is fair, efficient and enforced."

Some 80% of our immigration is coming across the border from Northern Ireland. The only way that we can do what Sinn Fein want us to do is reintroduce border checkpoints.

There are three other possibilities:

1. Chris McManus doesn't know what he is actually calling for.
2. Sinn Fein are trying to explain away Chris McManus' embarrassing voting record in the European Parliament.
3. Sinn Fein are speaking out of both sides of their mouth.

Do read the posts instead of cherry picking a few comments here and there. For example, in post no. 8299 I wrote "Nobody is saying there were not some bad apples in the security forces inc UDR ( not surprising as if you pick a few hundred thousand people you are bound to get some, especially as some had friends / colleagues blown up / were under stress and threat 24/7, and possibly had ptsd ) but there was also collusion between the Gardai and the pIRA, as confirmed in the Smithwick tribunal for example."

Of course there was some collusion in the security forces on both sides of the border ( it would have been amazing if there was not).

Another poster challenged a poster who measured sectarianism by the percentage of one religion in an org. There were (as close as makes no difference) 0% prods in the IRA. 

Fionn simply said it is incorrect to say there was 0% protestants in the ira,you replied with a load of nonsensical and irrelevant nonsense

Out of many tens of thousands of people in the UDR and RUC there were remarkably few bad apples : otherwise the death toll in N.I. would have been much higher.

Ok so we can play that game….

Out of the many people in the IRA there were only a few people that killed anyone so those bad apples should be called sectarian terrorists…..otherwise if everyone in the IRA was a sectarian terrorist then the death toll in NI would have been much higher

Do I believe this, no, but it shows how stupid your argument has been on the UDR. They were found to be a rehashed version of the B-specials. A sectarian state force that shared information and weapons openly with terrorists and targeted one side only. "A few bad apples" doesn't come close to what went on.

There were hundreds of thousands of people who served in the security services in N.I. during the troubles. If we say every second one either killed someone or gave information on known on suspected IRA members that led to their deaths, that would have meant the death toll of nationalist / catholic / IRA + others would have been over 100,000. The death toll in the troubles was only a fraction of a fraction of that, so it is safe to conclude the vast majority of security force people neither killed or colluded. The fact that 60% of the people killed during the troubles were killed by Republicans ( pIRA and INLA) and over 99% of the billions of damage to property was by the pIRA, tells a lot.

I'm a great believer that no matter where you go in the world, most people are decent, law abiding people.

Your fairy tale beliefs on people being 'law abiding' and you not giving cheek to soldiers is entirely irrelevant fanciful stuff.

The UDR were found on multiple occasions to be inherently sectarian and tied at the hip with UVF/UDA terrorists….."ah sure a few bad apples"….

They were complicit in that they knew and enabled the sharing of information and weapons. Multiple British agencies reported them as such and the Westminster government also knew….yet you're content to defend their terrorism?

If we say every second one either killed someone or gave information on known on suspected IRA members that led to their deaths, that would have meant the death toll of nationalist / catholic / IRA + others would have been over 100,000. The death toll in the troubles was only a fraction of a fraction of that, so it is safe to conclude the vast majority of security force people neither killed or colluded.

There you go again with the singular point of death toll. What about those that targeted for continued harassment but weren't killed? Were those harassed but not murdered by UDR/UVF terrorists not deserving of fair and equal treatment? Mindless harassment of children going to play sports. Stopping the same car 5 time within 100 yards was a common 'tactic' to goad a response. UDR Roadblocks outside houses were regularly a chance for "the nice soldiers" to defecate in the gardens. Destruction of tradesmen's tools and equipment was par for the course during these searches. In the case of Loughlin MaGinn; the UDR harassed his wife so much she gave up driving altogether; all because he wouldn't accept bribes from the UDR to give information. The UDR then passed on information to loyalist terrorists who shot him.

Families like his don't appear on you continuous death toll. This is why its clear you've not an iota of a clue about the UDR nor Northern Ireland & the Troubles. - "I met some nice soldiers and didn't give them cheek" from your made up trips in to Northern Ireland.

An organisation that has been found to be sectarian on multiple occasions, by multiple reports, and as witnessed on multiple occasions is sectarian. Even UDR soldiers were recorded as saying it was their duty to serve in defence against nationalists; what is that but sectarianism.

To continually accept the statement of "A few Bad apples" as being anywhere near the truth is purposeful lies to be seen as right. The "few bad apples" has been repeated throughout this yet your all content to wrangle over minor points.

In relation to the IRA/PIRA etc. yes I agree, which was why I stated in that post - "Do I believe this, no"

We're not talking about categories though; The UDR was a sectarian branch of Northern Ireland policing. It's been unequivocally proven yet your happy to let the "few bad apples" summation slide numerous times.

You're again dodging the salient point and seem happy to let it continue.

The UDR were a sectarian branch of NI policing. The members knew it and the establishment knew it. It wasn't merely "a few bad apples".

FACTS:
There were enough to see to it that the regiment was gotten rid of.

The British stand indicted that they ignored intelligence that clearly stated what this disgraced unit was up to and who it was colluding with.
As John Hume said, it was like

"a group of Rangers supporters put in uniforms, supplied with weapons and given the job of policing the area where Celtic supporters live."

No amount of a 'few bad apples' excusing will restore this regiment's reputation.

The overwhelming and only difference that actually matters is that the IRA were not under the control of a state luxuriating in spin about it's democratic credentials while knowing what this regiment was involved in for 20 years or more.

But yet there was collusion between the Gardai and pIRA ( as proven by the Smithwick tribunal ), just as there was collusion between the UDR and loyalist paramilitaries.

Some collusion granted, but no where near the sustained level of collusion between UDR & loyalist paramilitary groups. You're cltuching at straws in defence of a sectarian organisation.

Some would be of the opinion that one of the reasons the pIRA military knowledge and expertise was far superior to the military knowledge of the loyalist paramilitaries was because there was (a) greater transfer of knowledge about explosives between Irish army and pIRA than between British army and loyalists (b) more scope for training in certain areas with nod and a wink south of the border than north of the border.

Show where any of that has been verified in relation to the Irish army supporting the IRA and training with a wink & nod permission.

No hold on, You've tried to pull this before - Show some verifiable proof or admit they're more lies from you.