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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,495 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    From Frasier, when Niles has to sleep on Frasier's sofa:

    Frasier: and I've given you my cashmere throw in case it gets chilly during the night.

    Niles: i appreciate that. You're a good brother.

    Martin: I still say a spell in the army would have done you two the world of good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,919 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Victimhood victimhood victimhood. Where was Jesse for Kalief Browder?



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    Practically speaking, Trump will not be put in jail for contempt or prison if convicted of a felony. If contempt, he will be placed in his Trump tower 3 story penthouse, with servants satisfying his every need. Then limousine driven to court 4 days a week. If convicted he will be put in his Maralago Club and residence. That’s my legally uneducated guess.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Could just be sent down to the courts holding cell for a night.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,919 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nah he's not your cousin vinnie in a backwater town.

    https://www.mediaite.com/trump/wolf-blitzer-asks-former-judge-at-what-point-would-you-be-prepared-to-actually-jail-trump/

    “I would expect him initially to impose fines. I don’t think he’s going to go right to incarceration. I don’t think any judge would do that. He’s going to impose fines, and he’s going to give him a stern warning saying, ‘Now, look, I have fined you and I can fine you again. But if you don’t stop this, I have the power to incarcerate you and that’s what’s going to happen if you violate my court orders.’ So I think he’s going to give him a stern talking to and I think he’s going to impose these fairly minimal fines of $1,000 per violation. That’s what I would expect.”

    Blitzer then reported that CNN had learned that “the U.S. Secret Service, court officers, and even the New York City Department of Corrections have been quietly discussing what to do if Trump does end up being jailed for contempt of court.”

    “If you are presiding over this case,” the anchor asked Scheindlin, “at what point would you be prepared to actually jail the former President of the United States?”

    “I wouldn’t be anxious to do that,” she said. “I think it makes him appear to be a victim. It only helps his narrative of this being a witch hunt. I would try to do everything I could not to incarcerate him.”

    Scheindlin added that the logistics of jailing a former president would be “difficult,” needing 24/7 Secret Service protection, and said she read somewhere he could be sent to Riker’s, “which would be a terrible environment, so I would hope that it never came to that, and I don’t expect it to.”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,339 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    ….



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    The judge could, but other than sabre rattling in court, doubtful.

    Although Trump continues to complain about being singled out and unfairly treated by the justice system, he has been treated with kid gloves exemplifying a double standard between the ultra rich and the rest of us. Besides, how many of us have $100 million plus in pocket change for legal fees? Or millions of poor folks that will send their last $5 to their poor old billionaire cult leader?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,115 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,115 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Consensus appears to be, this is kind of important...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Wonder if she'll go again, didn't she say she was only suspending her campaign?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    She won't , but it's a really strong indicator that there is a large swathe of GOP voters that do not want to vote for Trump.

    I saw recent polling that was showing the RFK Jr. was pulling way more votes from Trump than Biden despite the concerns from Democrats.

    Biden leads Trump by two points when Kennedy Jr., Green Party candidate Jill Stein and independent Cornel West are on the ballot, but he trails Trump by two points in a head-to-head matchup, according to an April 12-16 NBC poll of 1,000 registered voters, though the shift is within the poll’s 3.1-point margin of error.

    The poll found 15% of voters who would cast their ballots for Trump in a two-way race would switch their vote to Kennedy Jr. in a five-way contest, compared to 7% of Biden voters.

    More Republicans (40%) also view Kennedy Jr. favorably compared to Democrats (16%).



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,330 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Not unless Trump has to drop out completely. She still lost the majority of primaries to him, some to a large degree, and Pennsylvania is a blue-leaning state so the fact the Republicans in that state still put in votes for Haley doesn't mean a lot for Haley herself. It's just far more impactful that GOP voters still voting for Haley a month after she suspended her campaign shows that most of them are anti-Trump and he's unlikely to be able to garner enough support for that State, especially as he won the state in 2016 for the GOP for the first time in over 20 years, but lost it in 2020.

    The votes for Haley shows he's likely going to lose it by even more in 2024. The primary results display a heavy anti-Trump vote rather than a pro-Haley vote.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It is partly a double standard between the ultra rich, but also partly a rather unprecedented position with regards his status as a former and potential future president. A different standard for that is rather inevitable - most defendants don't have round the clock secret service protection for one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,115 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Another stark reminder of what an egregious, barefaced and shameless liar he is, or the ramblings of an utter lunatic.

    Either way, wtf is he doing anywhere near a position of power in the US?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Obviously that gag order is never going to be enforced and he knows it.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,141 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    He should be made do a night in jail for every time he calls the judge "corrupt"

    No one else would get away with it



  • Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭Stanley 1


    Hopefully with plenty of all that nice orangewear and bedware that Epstein had and a footstool to reach up to the top bunk………..



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,495 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I saw the pictures. There were maybe a dozen people. No fencing.

    People who believe him are worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,508 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    With Haley's vote share last night, the low crowds at many of his events, and there being a lack of events as well there should be built-up demand, and the lack of any real support outside the court for any of his trial dates, are we looking at Trump support being far less than what the polls are currently predicting?

    My own view, based on nothing more than intuition and guesswork, is that many of those who claim they will vote for him do it as a kind of 'take it to the man' protest but that when the actual vote comes around and a real decision need to be made, a decision with real and lasting consequences, that many will opt for Biden as the threat to the US itself is just too much with Trump.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    There's a lot of that , but for the Court house "support" you have to layer in the conspiracy theories that the FBI will infiltrate the crowd and get them all arrested so they are actually scared to turn up.

    It's also why I've always thought that RFK Jr. will hurt Trump a lot more than Biden and the polling is starting to show that.

    He provides an "out" to lots of GOP voters that hate Trump but couldn't bring themselves to vote for Biden - The "Hold your nose" voters in 2016/2020 now have an alternative.

    40% of GOP voters have a favourable view of RFK jr. - That's huge..

    Trump is bringing absolutely nothing new to the table to win over new/waivering voters and unlike in 2020 there's someone that they can vote for that isn't Trump but also isn't Biden (or Jill Stein!!!)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Biden won in 2020 despite only getting 78% of the Dem vote after Bernie had dropped out.

    Nobody would suggest that all 280 000 Bernie voters stayed at home or voted Biden because he obviously beat Trump a few months later, so I don't see why people are thinking all the Haley voters are going to go all in on Biden.

    Bryan Tyler Cohen would be on the Biden payroll as he is as impartial as a Sean Hannity/ Charlie Kirk type character so people probably shouldn't over analyze his posts due to his obvious bias.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,121 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They absolutely aren't likely to move to Biden in big numbers , but the polling shows that a decent chunk of them will go to RFK Jr.

    15% of Trump voters in a two horse race would switch to RFK Jr. when he's added as an option - Double the number of Biden voters that would switch in the same scenario.

    RFK is also pretty popular with GOP voters so there is an implicit permission/acceptance for them to vote for him that wouldn't be there if they voted for Biden for example..



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,354 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Without getting into the pros and cons of vaccines, purely on a political level - RFK Jr should hoover up anti vax vote.

    They aren't going to vote for Biden, and while Trump has been flaky on covid measures, he still touts his role on vaccines. So RFK Jr is their 'political home'. And I expect more significant numbers of them on the Republican side to Democrat side.

    It'd be ironic, after the damage Trump's response to covid did to his electoral chances last time out, if it came back to haunt him again in 2024.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Oh yeah I do agree with you regarding RFK. The pro Trump media did platform him for ages so it was to be expected.

    I don't think he has ever made a serious attempt to reach out to Biden voters in comparison, if he had been pro Palestine then would have been a nightmare for Biden, but he's just as pro Israel as the likes of Haley/RDS and obviously Trump.

    I actually think I was meant to quote an another post where someone was spinning the Haley number of voters !



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    On CNN this morning, a reporter walked to within 30 yards of the "tiny door" as The Chump described it with no obstructions, he wasn't using a press pass and there were about 20 Chump supporters there, thats all that arrived all day apparently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 81,919 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    thing is as klepper observed, most MAGA faithful are scared shitless of their own paranoid delusions both about New York but also of the Deep State TM, they’re too chickenshit to show up at the courthouse. Some of them even fear being finally arrested for their actions on January 6 it seems according to some anecdotes Klepper shared, with a few of them unreasonably evasive to answering if they were at Jan 6 or what they did there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Also seems notable that both Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell have blamed him in the last few days for tanking the border deal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,495 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    From what I can see more people turned up to see Jeffrey Donaldson attend court today then went to see Donald attend court yesterday.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,173 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,071 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Nahh. More people with free time on their hands in the UK than in NYC.



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