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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,654 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump dealt with the problem the way he dealt with all his problems...

    Bribe, threaten, cheat on his taxes.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    His first thought when faced with any kind of bill is "How can I get away without paying this?" followed closely by "How can I get someone else to pay this?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    So, he's an insurance company?

    Anyway, looks like he and his "best people" attorneys are digging themselves a massive hole in court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I really doubt he and Melania have a joint account. Or that she reviews his accounts in general

    I imagine at this stage Melania is being forced against her will to stay married to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I suspect not as much «married against her will» but more «married until the point she’s exhausted any financial benefit for herself or Barron».

    Trump has a pretty bad track record staying successfully married to the Easter European trophy wives he tends to go for, and I doubt Melania is any different. I fully suspect that the whole Stormy relevation was not news to her and that her tears when Trump won in 2016 were those of dispair. She could eventually slip away from a wannabe alt-right media mogul, but as First Lady she knew she had to endure 4 to 8 years more of him.

    There is no love there, and I somewhat suspect there never really was any. Now Melania has to be paid off with oddly high «Table Arragement» fees or «stylist» fees. I suspect this is all just to keep her to agree to stayibg around.

    She’s very likely going to leave him, and that’s likely on the day when he loses all his cash and refuses to pay her anymore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/nyregion/trump-trial-hush-money-prison.html?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=nypr-email&utm_campaign=Newsletter+-+Early+Addition+-+20240423&utm_term=how+they%26amp%3b%23x27%3bd+protect+Donald+Trump+if+he+gets+sent+to+Rikers+Island&utm_id=326263&sfmc_id=82405340&utm_content=2024423&nypr_member=Unknown

    Interesting piece here about possibilities should trump face jail time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    At this stage?!?!?!

    You think there was some point she married him or stayed with him because she liked him?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The relationship is transactional , nothing more nothing less.

    She is just as transactional as Trump in her thinking , as evidenced by the multiple updates to the pre-nup that have been reported as she has angled for a better "deal" for herself every time she has leverage - Like when he wants to run for President and needs a "first lady" or when he plays offside etc. etc. etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭combat14


    looks like prosecution think trump wants to go to jail for breaking political gag order

    the question is why is new york state investigating federal election fraud when the matter has already been declined at federal level



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,654 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Things are going well for Donny boy today lol

    Fyi - lawfare are doing a daily pod reviewing what happened that day in court

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Not really 'the question.' State-level violations are prosecuted by states, which is what this is about. The Federal authorities have him up on the documents charge and the insurrection, both of which were federal level.

    He might be looking for a ratings boost due to a couple nights in the pokey. Be interesting what he looks like after a couple days without his bronzer spray.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They aren't investigating "Federal Election Fraud" , they are investigating fraudulent payments and illegal company accounting that took place in New York using a New York registered business. The fact that the purpose of the payment was to potentially influence the outcome of a Federal Election is secondary and not part of the charges being brought.

    Also - It hasn't been "declined at Federal level" , no attempt has been made to bring those charges - yet.

    I would suspect that if Trump is found guilty here it opens up the possibility of charges relating to the Election but the specifics make it a harder case to prove (although the reports that Trump wanted to renege on the payments after he won in 2016 makes his argument that the payment was to keep it secret from his wife and nothing to do with the election a difficult sell).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,334 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    He might think he wants to be a martyr but it would come as an overwhelming shock to him to actually be in prison. Its not as though he has ever done any military service to have had a taste of obeying orders.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Some of the testimony is pretty devastating.

    This is in relation to a story from a Doorman on Trumps building where he alleged he had information about Trump fathering a child and getting the woman to have an abortion, there was never any proof found that this was true but Pecker still paid the doorman $30k to "catch & kill the story"

    David Pecker testified that if the story was true, "it would be probably the biggest sale of the National Enquirer since the death of Elvis Presley."

    Pecker said if the story was verified he would have published it after the election, based on a conversation he had with Michael Cohen.

    "If the story came back true, I would have published the story shortly after it was verified," Pecker said.

    But Pecker said he would've held the story until after the presidential election, even if he verified it before then.

    "That was the conversation I had with Michael Cohen and that’s what we agreed to," Pecker said.

    That him admitting right there that Trump was actively working on buying off people to keep bad news out of the public eye before the election. In this case , Pecker spent the money but the outcome is still the same.

    David Pecker testified that he asked former National Enquirer editor in chief Dylan Howard “to negotiate a number, a price to buy the story and take it off the market," in regard to the doorman selling a story that Donald Trump allegedly fathered a child.

    Pecker said Howard negotiated to pay $30,000 to buy the story. He called Michael Cohen to tell him, and Cohen asked who would pay for it.

    Pecker says that when he agreed to buy the story, Cohen told him, "The boss will be very pleased."

    Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass asked him to specify who the boss was. “The boss would be Donald Trump,” Pecker replied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭combat14


    trump could be looking to go to prison the ratings boost or certainly the publicity would be unreal a bit like johnny cash going to folsom prison stylie, he may even get a sympathy vote

    the logistics would certainly be interesting with secret service detail effectively imprisoned too

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/nyregion/trump-trial-hush-money-prison.html



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Why would the secret service detail need to be imprisoned too? They don't have to literally follow him everywhere, they just need to be sure of where he is and any place he enters is secure.

    A prison is perfect for him. They aren't going to be putting him in with the general population regardless of secret service detail or not. He'd be in a seperate section and limited prison officers dealing with him, an zero prisoners anywhere near him.

    The secret service guys can sit in the carpark for the night eating donuts, or take the night off and go to a bar before picking him up again the next morning. If he does get locked up it's only likely to be a very short stint and mostly ceremonial so that justice can be shown to have been carried out and that nobody is exempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Send him to Epstein's cell for a couple of nights with plenty of spare linenware, might help to concentrate his mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If he were dropped into a regular prison, he would absolutely be bricking himself, deep down, but it's been extensively debated what kind of custody he'd actually be put in. If it were house arrest with limited access to Truth Social, he'd probably be happy with it as he could claim political martyrdom without any particular dangers to himself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,488 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Rep Bennie Thompson who chaired the Jan 6th committee is currently pushing a bill to see Secret Service protection for convicted felons removed. I particularly like his effort at backronym-ing the Act's name.

    "Dubbed the “Denying Infinite Security and Government Resources Allocated toward Convicted and Extremely Dishonorable (DISGRACED) Former Protectees Act,” the legislation from Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) would nix the lifelong protection given to former presidents if they are convicted and sentenced for a felony that carries a year or more in prison time.

    “Unfortunately, current law doesn’t anticipate how Secret Service protection would impact the felony prison sentence of a protectee — even a former President,” Thompson said in a statement."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4605774-former-jan-6-panel-chair-bill-secret-service-protection-felons/

    I wasn't expecting Pecker's testimony to be quite so damning. Whilst this is on its surface a record-keeping case, the prosecution are laying the groundwork for the purported conspiracy that drove the record falsification. Which, would be great if there were a conspiracy charge in play for this trial.
    Perhaps a little bit of foundation laying and distant cooperation with the Smith case by exposing a propensity for conspiratorial acts. If not refuted by Trump counsel's cross examination, could it perhaps have evidential value in the other criminal cases as "anything you say may be used in evidence!".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Epstein would probably be found dead the next morning, poisoned by noxious gases from The Chump's arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    From Frasier, when Niles has to sleep on Frasier's sofa:

    Frasier: and I've given you my cashmere throw in case it gets chilly during the night.

    Niles: i appreciate that. You're a good brother.

    Martin: I still say a spell in the army would have done you two the world of good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Victimhood victimhood victimhood. Where was Jesse for Kalief Browder?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Practically speaking, Trump will not be put in jail for contempt or prison if convicted of a felony. If contempt, he will be placed in his Trump tower 3 story penthouse, with servants satisfying his every need. Then limousine driven to court 4 days a week. If convicted he will be put in his Maralago Club and residence. That’s my legally uneducated guess.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Could just be sent down to the courts holding cell for a night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nah he's not your cousin vinnie in a backwater town.

    https://www.mediaite.com/trump/wolf-blitzer-asks-former-judge-at-what-point-would-you-be-prepared-to-actually-jail-trump/

    “I would expect him initially to impose fines. I don’t think he’s going to go right to incarceration. I don’t think any judge would do that. He’s going to impose fines, and he’s going to give him a stern warning saying, ‘Now, look, I have fined you and I can fine you again. But if you don’t stop this, I have the power to incarcerate you and that’s what’s going to happen if you violate my court orders.’ So I think he’s going to give him a stern talking to and I think he’s going to impose these fairly minimal fines of $1,000 per violation. That’s what I would expect.”

    Blitzer then reported that CNN had learned that “the U.S. Secret Service, court officers, and even the New York City Department of Corrections have been quietly discussing what to do if Trump does end up being jailed for contempt of court.”

    “If you are presiding over this case,” the anchor asked Scheindlin, “at what point would you be prepared to actually jail the former President of the United States?”

    “I wouldn’t be anxious to do that,” she said. “I think it makes him appear to be a victim. It only helps his narrative of this being a witch hunt. I would try to do everything I could not to incarcerate him.”

    Scheindlin added that the logistics of jailing a former president would be “difficult,” needing 24/7 Secret Service protection, and said she read somewhere he could be sent to Riker’s, “which would be a terrible environment, so I would hope that it never came to that, and I don’t expect it to.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,900 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    The judge could, but other than sabre rattling in court, doubtful.

    Although Trump continues to complain about being singled out and unfairly treated by the justice system, he has been treated with kid gloves exemplifying a double standard between the ultra rich and the rest of us. Besides, how many of us have $100 million plus in pocket change for legal fees? Or millions of poor folks that will send their last $5 to their poor old billionaire cult leader?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,654 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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