Sepsis deaths in hospitals.

No.

The ban on abortion unless the woman's life was identifiably in danger massively increased the risk of her dying from sepsis. That was important because sepsis can get out of control so readily.

It's still just as dangerous to pregnant women, but at least women suffering from miscarriages should (in theory) be able to have surgical intervention to speed up the miscarriage without waiting until sepsis has begun.

(Why is this coming up as two posts? I just replied, it was two posts, so I deleted one, only to find that both were gone. Then I posted another, which again shows up as two.)

That's the fault of the HSE and the ban on abortion though.

If Savita had been given a termination when she asked for one (which would have been considered "for comfort" reasons at that time, as she didn't then have sepsis, but was miscarrying and was therefore in a lot of pain) she would not have developed sepsis and therefore not have died of it.

The law didn't allow that because she had to wait until she developed signs of sepsis. It was high-wire tightrope acrobatics type medicine, ie not a sensible approach for any sensible health service.

But clearly the introduction of abortion couldn't possibly help people who get sepsis from some other source. And nobody has ever claimed it could. It was only ONE of the problems with sepsis. If the others have been ignored, that's not the fault of the law on abortion.

And there is no way to make sepsis "safe" so that no abortion would ever be required for a woman in Savita's position in the future. In fact the continued dangerosity of sepsis proves that. Sepsis is extremely dangerous, and forcing women to continue an inevitable miscarriage until they began to show signs of sepsis was a madness that no other western health service does.

Sounds distinctly like you're using the thread to rant about abortion rather than because of genuine concern about sepsis.

People get sepsis from cuts, surgeries, other bacterial infections and a hundred other different reasons and illnesses. I don't see what it has to do with abortion at all?

Risk of dieing from sepsis is raised by the overcrowding in hospitals which leads to a delay in diagnosis and treatment and a lack of regular observation meaning the protocols aren't adhered to.

Because healthcare like all sectors contains the lazy, the incompetent, the stupid, etc. The fact that 'lessons were learned' doesn't mean there would never be another death from sepsis ever again.

The fact you're implying that only shows you're here with an agenda and not to engage in good faith.

Your point seems to be using sepsis as a way to demonise women who get abortions, honestly. People can pay attention to more than one thing at a time.

The reason people die of sepsis in our Emergency Departments is less to do with laziness, incompetence and stupidity, and more to do with the completely dysfunction system our healthcare workers are expected to exist in. 70% of human errors are due to weaknesses in the organizations the in which the humans work.

Unfortunately, a scapegoat is usually sought and found among the healthcare staff on duty on the day (see Dr Bawa Garba) and so the actual problems are not sufficiently addressed.

And so excess sepsis deaths will continue to occur, despite the best efforts of the individuals at the coalface.

Two cases in our estate last two week

I suffered from sepsis few years back, at the triage I said I don't feel well at all, I had tooth infection, my jaw was locked, and I was unwell. When I went to A&E window, the triage nurse asked me what it was, etc…. Got my vitals and I was on the bed with IV in my arm in 5 minutes, point being is, there were 50+ people with no life threatening conditions, but that triage nurse saved my life by putting me ON THE TROLLEY IN A&E WITHIN 5 MINUTES, AND I SPENT 48 HOURS THERE ON A TROLLEY BEFORE OPERATION, I lived, don't care about the trolley part…

Thread has merit.

Ignore the abortion segment

Sepsis is a sneaky cnut and if not caught early can have long term devastating effects or fatal. It's often confused for more benign illnesses and then caught too late.

Everyone needs to learn more about sepsis, not just medical staff.