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Revolut Megathread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭Savetheplanet


    How risky is the savings account? I know it only covers up to €22,000 but what is the day to day worst case scenarios with the risks they mention in relation to currency fluctuations and so on? I know it's a low risk account but could you be caught on the hop by some massive move somewhere in the markets? Thanks if anyone can explain it in simple terms!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭wassie


    Firstly its not a savings account, its an investment product that looks and functions similar to a savings account. Therefore, it is not covered by the Deposit Guarantee Scheme (DSG).

    Your money is not earning direct interest like a normal savings account, rather you are paid a given rate from the profits from the investments. Also it is taxed at 41%.

    When you mentioned the €22,000, I assume you are referring to the Liabilities to Investor Insurance Scheme - this is not capital protection as such. Its insurance that pays out when a specified event occurs eg Revolut becomes insolvent. From their support website:

    Investor liability insurance does not cover compensation for investment risk, i.e. this insurance scheme does not apply if the value of the financial instrument decreases or the issuer of financial instruments does not redeem all the issued financial instruments.

    Basically the investment risk may be considered low, but if market conditions result in the loss of your investment (i.e. savings) then your money is gone.

    If you dont understand this product, based on the information in Revolut's support section & T&Cs and are concerned about risk of losing your money, as for any other investment, then don't invest.

    If you want to simply earn interest and have your money at call, consider an actual savings account (covered by the DSG up to €100,000) that pays a reasonable amount of interest. You will also pay less tax DIRT 33% (+PRSI 4% if applicable), but you may have to do a tax return if its not taxed at source. Not difficult, but does require effort none the less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭Savetheplanet




  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Quick question.

    Im trying to transfer money to a UK bank account . All I have is their IBAN and BIC. How can I set that up ? All I can see is sort code and account number on Revolut. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,508 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    You can convert an iban to account number/sort code. Western Union have following:

    1 – Country code – 2 letters
    The first two letters represent the country where your bank is located. This is “GB” for United Kingdom.

    2 – Check digits – 2 digits
    The next two digits are check digits. These are calculated with an algorithm and used to validate the correctness of the IBAN.

    3 – Bank code – 4 characters
    This four-character code identifies the bank.

    4 – Bank branch – 6 digits
    This six-digit sort code identifies the bank branch.

    5 – Bank account number – 8 digits
    Lastly, the account number is listed and is a maximum of eight digits. Generally, shorter account numbers are left-justified and preceded by zeros to make them eight digits.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Damn... My card is blocked because I entered my CVV incorrectly but an ATM transaction isn't activating it 😞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Kat1170


    Is ATM withdrawals turned on in the settings. Even if it was before, worth double checking.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    It is. I just keep getting the same CVV message. 😞

    I'll try again later today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,566 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Have done. I've ordered a new card now (10 days), and am using my BOI card in the meantime. Strange one!



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Interesting interview in the Business Post this morning with the Ireland lead for Revolut who is also head of lending for Europe.

    I'd share but is behind a paywall and I can't cut and paste.

    Basically says they have only scraped the surface here, they see themselves up there with AIB,BOI and ptsb. Their aim is to become people's main bank (it's already mine BTW).

    A shame they didn't touch on the constant bad press they get particularly in the Irish Times around scams and perceived poor customer service. I think those two things probably put a lot of people off from having it as their main bank.

    We all know banks have scams, I just dunno why the IT dont write about the other banks scams and poor customer service as much as they do for Revolut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭optiplexgx270


    I use them as my main bank also but 2 points I'd make are:

    1. Their customer service is abysmal and worst I know of at the moment across any service provider in and also outside banking. I just hope I never need to deal with them for any larger issues.

    2. Partly because of above I don't trust them one bit and if they needed to investigate a security issue (or look into anything tbh) they wouldn't because it's not on the script of responses in the "reply to customer drop down templates". As such I move the bulk of salary out of the main account day it arrives due to lack of confidence in them and their attitude to customers.

    If anyone came along with a similar offering I'd jump ship today . And I know N26 is fairly close but an Irish Iban does cause less headaches regardless of the legality around companies not allowed to not accept other country Ibans. Again I don't see bunq as hitting the same level as the other 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭markpb


    They don’t write about it because other banks at least pretend to have a customer care department. Revolut have a revolving door of scripted agents who do as little as possible to help. Moreso if you’ve fallen for a a fraud scam.

    A friend of mine fell for a scam involving both Revolut and AIB. As soon as she realised, she contacted both of them. They initiated their respective investigations. Revolut locked her account for six weeks, provided no feedback and then closed her account because she was in breach of terms and conditions by falling for fraud. AIB in the meantime left her account operational, contacted her throughout the investigation, refunded some of her money, and left her account intact.

    This is purely conjecture but I suspect that Revolut tries to completely automate their fraud checks and whereas legacy banks have some human involvement, even if it’s only to handle the customer communication. Revolut seem to be poor at detecting and blocking account takeover attacks, possibly because of this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,984 ✭✭✭bren2001


    They won't be my main bank until they have a branch I can go into and a phone number to call. While AIB/BOI/PTSB etc have those, they'll be my main bank.

    As you say, they need to address their poor customer service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭markpb


    In my experience with Ulster Bank, if you went into a branch the staff to ask about something unusual, they would give you a phone and you would talk to the same person in a call centre that would would home. Branches give the illusion of additional customer service that might not actually exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Its a weird one. I only get scam texts and emails for BoI and AIB, never for Revolut, N26 or Bunq.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The last time I used a PTSB branch there was a customer service rep there explaining how to use an ATM, anything else was "contact Open24".

    A guy came in looking to do foreign exchange and was told to go to the post office, we don't do that here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Ulster bank used to have all the branch phone numbers put through to Thier Belfast cost centre, and the people there knew there stuff and could solve issues straight away. If they were busy, calls would bounce to the branch, and they were hopeless and didn't have a clue about anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,984 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Are you a fan of Revolut customer service? I personally hate a chat box.

    A branch can solve 99% of my quieres, if I end up on the phone to Open24, they are usuay extremely helpful. Revolut doesn't do that and that was my point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭optiplexgx270


    No but get calls from "revolut" for a charge press 1 to get a refund at least once per week.

    Revolut basically do not have customer care as said by numerous people above.

    What worse each time you contact them the case bounces to a new agent that starts all over again to get to know case it's non functional "support". Each time I've contacted them it's resulted in me giving up and opening formal complaints. AI chat bots have more intelligence than that lot and I wouldn't be surprised if it is AI with goal of making people give up and close cases.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭markpb


    Revolut - yes.
    Revolut’s customer care - absolutely not.

    See my post eight above this one.

    FWIW there’s a generation who much prefer web chat to phone calls and Revolut definitely ain’t themselves at that generation. However Revolut’s implementation of web chat is awful and it’s not a technology problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    AIB and PTSB are just as bad, except sometimes they tell you to call into a branch where they also won't be able to fix problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,508 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Perceived poor customer service? Their customer service is abysmal. If you are in any sort of emergency you're screwed. Set up a proper Irish call centre and have a telephone line where you can speak to a real person and then it can move from actual poor service to a possible perception...

    Having said that, I'm a big fan of the Revolut service itself and I also do find it odd when people talk about "Revolut scams" when it's just a scam same as any other bank scam...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,984 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I am that generation. When it comes to banking, while I hate phone calls, dealing with a person on the phone is better.

    Of course, if they drastically improved their chat, I'd consider switching fully. Until they fix their customer service, they'll never be my main bank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭Qrt


    I think I would be like most people; Revolut is grand for small amounts, but for anything somewhat large, say >€100, I wouldn't be going near it.

    They also really need to clamp down on the top-ups via card and Apple Pay, massive fraud potential through them both but that's a wider issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,508 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    What's the fraud potential of topping up with apple pay or card?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭Qrt


    There was a few investigations done by the WSJ, basically all around the PIN of smart devices, being able to use that PIN to get into smart devices etc. People having their phones stolen, top ups done via revolut, money sent off never to be seen again. Not Revolut’s fault really, just a convenient crack in digital banking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Same. Having dealt with Revolut support / N26 support and Open24 support only the latter actually dealt with me as a human.

    Revolut gave me their scripted answers for the issue I had with them. Took weeks to resolve.

    N26 couldn't help at all and I can't open an account with them.

    Open24 is actually people. They investigated the issue I had at the time and returned phone calls. Took a couple of days but I didn't feel like it was going into a black hole.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    So it seems it's a toss up between a Neobank with great tech but no personal help or a legacy bank with a call centre but **** tech.

    Lovely.

    Cant see Revolut opening a call centre, maybe as a percentage of their customers it's only very small who have an issue although it must be putting off some people from becoming their main bank?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,730 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    As someone who used to work in Revolut (not CS related role), I use them for their convenience, but never leave more than I would be not bothered if I lost, as an account balance.

    They are so dodgy, treading a fine line with the regulator.

    Having seen being the smokescreen, I know it's all monitoring and automation written by overworked and underpaid coders who would be better off elsewhere. The only ones who stay there a long time are those who drank the kool-aid. I know the guy featured in the article and he's a kool-aid drinker.



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