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Here is an account of the debate about whether Ukraine would've been invaded if it had kept those nukes that were left over from the collapse of the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Debates_about_Ukrainian_renuclearization

Those nukes wouldn't have been enough to stop the invasion and Putin wouldn't have cared about losing so many of his people in a Ukrainian nuclear strike and he probably would've nuked Kyiv in retaliation - and that's if the Ukrainians had even been willing to use a nuke in the first place!

Pure Q brain worms.

Obsessed with the manpower thing. Your ruSSia, same every time - throw numbers at every issue. At least you didn't forgot to mention the US in your post … whataboutery boy.

Think you mean "our deep pockets in the east …"

The value for money in eliminating putin's terrorists is why support from countries under threat from putin will continue.

You seem to be peddling quite a lot of worn out western propaganda points there buddy. It doesn't wash anymore, everyone with their eyes open can see that this extravagant (and frankly arrogant) money dump has failed to bring about the desired result on the battlefield.

The Biden administration clearly thought the Russians were ripe for the taking, if they ploughed enough money into this thing. THEY WERE WRONG. This has been a disastrous mistake from the west. And the Ukrainian leadership too.

At this point, they're just throwing more money into the fire and watching it burn…

Russia are successfully defending their new territories.

"Russia are successfully defending their new territories."

At least you admit the territories are new, and not historically belonging to your ruSSia.

Where they are committing genocide ? Yes / no ?

… plus sweden and finland joining NATO.

Plus Russia too weak to control the Armenia Azerbaijan situation when Armenia asked for assistance.

More nonsense.

You've clearly been brainwashed by the propaganda, if you think the western financial contribution to this conflict is not a significant burden. Just take one look at the political tension in the US, and it's obvious that a nation carrying obscene levels of national debt is starting to question what exactly is being accomplished here.

Russia are not going to lose this war. Ukraine is in ruins. None of that is worth the price that's being paid, and the public are starting to wake up to this fact.

We had all the pathetic stuff, about it being better to have the Ukrainians fighting and dying rather than US soldiers. But again, people are waking up to that nonsensical rubbish too because very few people actually believe that Russia are any sort of legitimate threat to Europe or the world. You would really have to be very gullible, to swallow such lazy propaganda efforts. Sadly there are some people still trying to peddle such rubbish, because there are still a few out there deluded enough to buy into it. The numbers are shrinking rapidly though.

PT. You might be jumping the gun here. A war consists of a number of battles . There has been a good number of battles to date - some won by UKR and some lost by it. By the way the war is still going on so if you can hold on until it is all over before you decide who has won. In the mix when making that decision might be:-

(1) has NATO receded back from the Ru border or advanced towards it?

(2) has the NATO border with Ru shortened or lengthened and by how much?

(3) has the number of buffer countries between Ru and NATO increased or decreased?

(4) has Ukr applied to join the EU

(5) has UKr expressed a desire to join NATO

(6) did UKr succeed in joining either of the above?
(7)where will the border between UKr and Ru be when the WAR is over ?

;8) what will be the ‘state’ of the Ru economy when the WAR is over. It probably will be in a very, very, very POOR state but sure the Russians are used to such poverty - especially outside of the major cities and surrounding areas. Ukr will probably get massive overseas aid to build back up its economy.

Of course I am sure that there are other parameters that can be considered but the above are what came to my mind

Ukrainian military figures. So the actual figure is probably a number between what the US estimates and what the Ukrainians give.

Why are Russia struggling to take Ukraine?

There is something both hilarious and sad about Russians trying to Rus-splain how death of 450,000 of their countrymen and destruction of a good chunk of their military equipment without the loss of a single NATO soldier in what they claim is an all out open war of civilisation with “west” and NATO is “just a scratch”

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