Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

there’s no point making rational arguments with you because you reduce everything to a completely mental conspiracy theory that everything IRFU do is driven by pro Leinster bias. You’re completely gone past the point of rational debate.

So what’s the point?

I get that it creates a financial imbalance when a team get someone off the books and at the moment it is weighted heavily to Leinster.

But when a player moves onto an Irish contract they generally have their club appearances seriously limited. James Ryan has nearly the same Irish caps as Leinster appearances. Dorris broke through around the same time as deegan and has played around half the number of games.

You don't want a club punished by producing a star that you want to manage so taking them off the books let's Leinster afford a quality replacement.

Also a bit like league of Ireland clubs getting a % of transfer fees when a player moves from club to club in the premier League it could be viewed as a reward to the system.

But is that not the issue now for Munster. Since the HC winning era they have signed TWENTY players (including just signed OBrien and rumoured to be signing Farrell) who have (or can) play at centre. 16-18 years is a long time to not produce anyone remotely capable of any sort of impact at national level in the 12 or 13 shirt.

From outside looking in, they sat on their hands and maybe complacency about it carrying on set in and it wasnt capitalised on?

I used your own words that you chose to explain how Leinster are currently successful and they fit nearly 100% with the scenario Munster had in '00s.

You've refused to engage and explain how your own words aren't applicable to Munster of the '00s.

Come on, there is a night and day difference in the level of details we know about the IRFU finances and the provincial mismanagement - it is utterly bizarre to claim different. For example, we all know Munster kept two training basis for years, while you cannot tell me how much the IRFU gives each province.

Some facts you jumped over, presumably because they don't fit your bitter narrative:

• Leinster have had many multiples the number of home knockout games as the other provinces recently – each one a huge payday
  
• Leinster have by a decent amount the highest average attendance numbers of all provinces
  
• Leinster have consistently made knockout stages so bring in far more prize money than the other provinces
  
• Leinster have the biggest population and highest attendance so presumably make the most from merchandise and sponsorship
  
• Leinster have brought in the fewest big name, expensive outside NIQs (Connacht have probably spent less on NIQs, though they signed a big name last summer when Leinster hadn’t for several years)
  
• Leinster have been dealing with little to no debt on their grounds

You're more upset by the guesses you're making about the IRFU finances than actual clear and obvious mismanagement, that destroyed the huge lead Munster should still have to this day and has hindered Ulster and Connacht.

That's complete BS, you keep refusing to engage in points that are being put to you - including your own words.

You keep saying you dont want Leinster dragged back while every single suggestion you've made to change things 'impacts ability to compete at the levels they are competing at today'. You've either completely lost it or are looking for a rise out of people.

If you weren't an admin you wouldnt get away with that level of posting in the thread of another province like you are.

Mod: Attack the post not the poster.

Who's fault is this? Are you complaining about unfairness?

Why don't we? Stockdale was on a CC and look what happened? Seriously, up the wages at the other provinces by 15%. As for lost revenue for Ulster, the union should have reimbursed some or most of the loss.

True enough!

"Toxic"?

I don't agree with Awec, but at this stage your posts are just coming across as hysterical and objectionable, FFF. I asked you earlier to clarify some of the language you were throwing around about other provinces, you didn't respond.

Mate, just chill. Go and rewatch the weekend's game of your rugby team utterly taking apart a lauded bogey team.

So basically, screw Leinster and get all 4 provinces into the investec qf's, just to lose.

I understand your frustration. But laying it all on the IRFU and Leinster is really dumb. Imo. Ulster have had more coaching changes than Leinster over the years! Who can forget the Kiss/Gibbs shambles. Ulster go out and sign a marquee player, Piatau, who's not needed. They also signed Vermuellen, who to me, was a disappointment. Ulster have a history of fcuk ups. One after the other, compounding the culture.

It's not like Ulster didn't beat Leinster this year already. We're talking the same Ulster that we're nilled by Sale! The Ulster house is not in order. The academy is finally producing good forwards. Finally! The last good forward to come through Ulster's academy is Timoney! It appears that some talented lads have been poached from Leinster this year. Good. Hopefully the days of Lorcan Dow, Dunleavy, Allison etc are over.

Rant complete! I think

That would make perfect sense but isnt what is being suggested.

What the bitters are calling for is to pull back funding from the performing business unit, hurting its success and potentially the viability of the whole company, so they can divert resources to the underperforming business units, ignoring all the clear evidence of the incompetence of their leadership teams and believing simply more money will fix things.

An utterly idiotic business decision.