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Iran has come out of the shadows and attacked Israel directly. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭IBrows89


    Would this almost be the same escalation as Israel in Gaza now? Is the same rationale that Israel used for their attacks on Hamas and the Gaza community not also accurate for the Iranians?

    And yes, I mean in proportion. What Hamas did was not in proportion to what Israel did in the Iranian consulate but also the recent Iran attack was not in proportion to what Israel has done in Gaza recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,704 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You could now say the same of Israel. Bibi has been in power for much of the last 20 years. What you need to realise is Hamas and the Israeli right depend on each other to justify the others existence. In the unlikely event Hamas is vanquished from Gaza after this war is over and a moderate opposition somehow takes over, the Israeli right if they are still in power are not going to suddenly be agreeable to a two state solution. Bibi ever since he carried out a mock funeral of Rabin has been clear he has no interest in a two state solution



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    If there was a Ukrainian attack on a Russian consulate / embassy in Paris, London or Berlin then no, it wouldn't be justified... But then Ukraine would also be expecting the people attending to have been arrested on the way into that country.

    If they attacked the Russian buildings in Belarus with equivalent people attending then yes it would likely be accepted as a valid target.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Israel calling for sanctions on the IRGC and missile program, which is totally fair and certainly better than a military response.

    It's hard though to look past Israel remaining sanction free (outside of a handful of the very most extreme settlers) while they ignore the last UN ceasefire call and their ethnic cleansing and genocide continues apace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Consulates and Embassies are always used for discussing and negotiating and planning things that are not necessarily in the best interests of third countries. But unless the attacks are actually carried out from the physical perimeter of the embassy then attacking one is a tantamount to a declaration of war against that country, and a severe breach of the sovereignty of the host country.

    If Israel are happy to assassinate people in foreign countries, why have they not attacked the Hamas leaders in Qatar?

    Their actions betray their motives. They are not trying to end a conflict, they are trying to provoke one. They are not trying to wipe out Hamas, they are trying to expel all Palestinians from Gaza.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Israel looking for sanctions

    They need a reality check after the slaughter they've performed in gaza



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    And is an Israeli consulate building now a valid target if mossad or IDF personnel are in the building planning hostile acts against another country? This was the justification given for the attack on the Syrian consulate building. David Cameron when asked what would Britain do in the event of a British consulate building being destroyed said we would act strongly against the perpetrator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Qatar is an ally of America, that's why Israel is unlikely to target Hamas leaders in Qatar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Yeah looks like they've bottled this one. Not as easy to go after an actual nation state with ballistic missile capacity to hit your airbases (or anywhere else) than it is to slaughter women and children hiding in terror in Gaza. Bullies don't like it up em.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Of course it is. Israel had to respond to the Hamas attack on the 7th of October somehow but they've gone completely over the top in what they've done to Gaza, I'm not debating that. Their actions are horrendous.

    Similarly, I think Iran sending an arse load of ordinance towards Israel in response to an embassy attack was also hugely disproportionate.

    I reckon some folks see Iran's attack on Israel as a 'punishment' for what they're currently doing in Gaza, rather than just being a response to an attack on an Iranian embassy.

    They'll say it's justified by Iran as a response to the embassy attack but deep down I'm sure they think it's Israel getting what they deserve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Do they think America would condemn them a targeted attack against terrorists in Qatar more than it would condemn the indiscriminate carpet bombing the entire Gaza strip or the reckless destruction of an embassy of an American adversary in a third country in an incident that is likely to trigger a regional or global escalation in a way that is far more detrimental to American national interests?

    Come on. Israel aren't not attacking Hamas in Qatar because they don't want to annoy the Americans. They didn't care if the Americans would be annoyed when they blew up the Iranian consulate. and they don't care if they annoy the Americans when they're bombing aid workers in Gaza

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Maybe they don't want to show their hand?

    They managed to swipe away 99% of what Iran just threw at them without breaking a sweat. Could be making more sense to just let Iran have that swipe to appease their population/supporters, but for Israel to now just sit back and wait rather than show what they are capable of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭IBrows89


    For me it's not saying that anybody deserves any of what's gone on but more so I think it proves the hypocritical nature in the way Israel has behaved. The way Israel has treated Palestinian and the conflict in Gaza but then has the US and UK to help them keep the Iranian attack at bay, whereas the civilians in Gaza have had nothing to protect their innocent.

    This is why I mean it's completely disproportionate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    From Iranian Embassy in Ireland ( AUDIO embedded in article link ):

    When questioned about Iranian funding for groups such as Hamas and Houthis - both of which are labelled as terrorist organisation by a number of western governments - Dr Kazemi compared them to the IRA

    “Why do they attack Israel? They are resistance groups, they are not terrorist groups,” he said. 

    “Look at Irish history, if we had no resistance group in Ireland, we wouldn’t have an independent Ireland.” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,683 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Can't believe how silly and stupid he was by walking straight into her trap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,683 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,683 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Israel cursed with horrible leadership too it seems. One as bad as the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,910 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I have no time for Iran their support for Russia and givng them drones but Israel's policies of expansionism and appropriation backed with military force will lead to their own destruction eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,723 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,887 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    hmmm lot of folk don’t seem to like anyone “in power”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭amacca


    Is that a photo of a jewish soldier in that x/tweet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Was nauseating to listen to that interview posted above. The guy should have been asked why exactly Iran is aiding Russia to slaughter + make refugees of civilians in Europe with drone and missile barrages? How is it consistent with "UN charter" and its principles? Answer would have been interesting.

    Don't think Irish people would have been that comfortable with "resistance groups" as bloodthirsty and indiscriminate as the ones Iran nurtures, esp. the charming Houthis, seems like they are just blowing up and pirating ships from every country in Europe that sails past their coast!

    The Iranian govt. should be under exact same EU sanctions as Russia imo. Most of its diplomats incl. him should be given the bums rush out of the EU as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Israel's people vote for a more centrist or liberal government at their next election, what will that change? As near as I can tell, Iran's proxies will still be attacking/killing Israelis as a matter of routine.

    Israel's enemies don't care who is in charge of the Knesset or what borders their government claims.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I don't think it is a good idea to get rid of any foreign ambassadors. Better to keep direct lines of communciations with any country just im case any of our citizens getin trouble there. The Iranians arent any more nauseating than a lot of foreign ambasadors including the Russians and Israelis.

    We have foreign relations with alot of regimes that are bloodthirsty unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,157 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Ive always wanted to visit Iran, millenia of culture and of course the Bobby Sands burger place in Tehran, which must the ultimate black tourism Instagram spot.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Israel calling out Iran's missiles that hit an airbase as being antisemitic

    anti.jpg

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,683 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,683 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You didn't hear the Israeli ambassador to Ireland. What a dose. As bad as Netanyahu the child killer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    who are their enemies? Jordan, one of those Muslim countries you rant and rave about, just helped them intercept the Iranian attack.



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