Iran has come out of the shadows and attacked Israel directly. **Read OP before posting**

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024172#Comment_122024172

Hokus pokus.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023968#Comment_122023968

Unlike the Israelis who actually overdo the act.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024618#Comment_122024618

The fact that they would issue such a thing against him sums up the pathetic regime,

tayto lover

You won't get an answer.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024633#Comment_122024633

What about this regime in Israel? Are they any better?

https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1410458/mass-graves-discovered-in-northern-gaza-al-shifa-hospital.html#:~:text

Repo101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024514#Comment_122024514

Well if the iron dome can detect a much smaller drone then you would assume it would detect larger drone, particularly an unmanned helicopter drone. The fact that Hamas is required to conduct much of it's operations running from safehouse to safehouse would lead me to believe that such an attack would not be a significant concern to the IDF.

A much more likely risk is via Lebanon but it's difficult to see it happening as Israel has proven that it will indiscriminately attack targets that are even barely perceived as being a military threat and have a record over the past few months of attacking targets based on poor intelligence.

Any such attack is likely to be relatively insignificant and the response would be much more significant than the attack.

Jeff2

I don't get why Iran sending missiles to Israel is going by media a war on another country even though Israel has killed people in Iranian embassy.

In the past Israel has blown up factorys In the capital of Iran.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024679#Comment_122024679

No. More pawns in a game between Hammas and Israel.

Repo101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024582#Comment_122024582

Yes but it doesn't achieve anything other than making it less likely that there will be a peaceful solution for another few generations. In the interim the Israelis will take more land, also making it almost impossible to find a solution.

Maybe if Palestinian's in Gaza weren't voting for Hamas and Israelis for far-right parties, then we might get somewhere, although I do accept that Israel is unwilling to accept any kind of solution that involves compromise because they are backed by the US, whom have an extremely strange relationship with Israel, to the point that US and other Christian worshipers in Israel get spit on often.

In the context of Ukraine and Taiwan, this will have consequences elsewhere due to the polarising nature of US politics.

Beasty

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silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024704#Comment_122024704

Palestinians are cursed with horrible leadership; Hammas know what Israel's response will be, they will act with cruel indifference which then turns Palestinians to more extremists and fuels extremists from outside the region.

IBrows89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122022896#Comment_122022896

Would this almost be the same escalation as Israel in Gaza now? Is the same rationale that Israel used for their attacks on Hamas and the Gaza community not also accurate for the Iranians?

And yes, I mean in proportion. What Hamas did was not in proportion to what Israel did in the Iranian consulate but also the recent Iran attack was not in proportion to what Israel has done in Gaza recently.

A Dub in Glasgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024610#Comment_122024610

Yes, do you?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024710#Comment_122024710

You could now say the same of Israel. Bibi has been in power for much of the last 20 years. What you need to realise is Hamas and the Israeli right depend on each other to justify the others existence. In the unlikely event Hamas is vanquished from Gaza after this war is over and a moderate opposition somehow takes over, the Israeli right if they are still in power are not going to suddenly be agreeable to a two state solution. Bibi ever since he carried out a mock funeral of Rabin has been clear he has no interest in a two state solution

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122023633#Comment_122023633

If there was a Ukrainian attack on a Russian consulate / embassy in Paris, London or Berlin then no, it wouldn't be justified... But then Ukraine would also be expecting the people attending to have been arrested on the way into that country.

If they attacked the Russian buildings in Belarus with equivalent people attending then yes it would likely be accepted as a valid target.

riffmongous

Israel calling for sanctions on the IRGC and missile program, which is totally fair and certainly better than a military response.

It's hard though to look past Israel remaining sanction free (outside of a handful of the very most extreme settlers) while they ignore the last UN ceasefire call and their ethnic cleansing and genocide continues apace.

Akrasia

Consulates and Embassies are always used for discussing and negotiating and planning things that are not necessarily in the best interests of third countries. But unless the attacks are actually carried out from the physical perimeter of the embassy then attacking one is a tantamount to a declaration of war against that country, and a severe breach of the sovereignty of the host country.

If Israel are happy to assassinate people in foreign countries, why have they not attacked the Hamas leaders in Qatar?

Their actions betray their motives. They are not trying to end a conflict, they are trying to provoke one. They are not trying to wipe out Hamas, they are trying to expel all Palestinians from Gaza.

drury..

Israel looking for sanctions

They need a reality check after the slaughter they've performed in gaza

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025421#Comment_122025421

And is an Israeli consulate building now a valid target if mossad or IDF personnel are in the building planning hostile acts against another country? This was the justification given for the attack on the Syrian consulate building. David Cameron when asked what would Britain do in the event of a British consulate building being destroyed said we would act strongly against the perpetrator.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025486#Comment_122025486

Qatar is an ally of America, that's why Israel is unlikely to target Hamas leaders in Qatar

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025445#Comment_122025445

Yeah looks like they've bottled this one. Not as easy to go after an actual nation state with ballistic missile capacity to hit your airbases (or anywhere else) than it is to slaughter women and children hiding in terror in Gaza. Bullies don't like it up em.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024922#Comment_122024922

Of course it is. Israel had to respond to the Hamas attack on the 7th of October somehow but they've gone completely over the top in what they've done to Gaza, I'm not debating that. Their actions are horrendous.

Similarly, I think Iran sending an arse load of ordinance towards Israel in response to an embassy attack was also hugely disproportionate.

I reckon some folks see Iran's attack on Israel as a 'punishment' for what they're currently doing in Gaza, rather than just being a response to an attack on an Iranian embassy.

They'll say it's justified by Iran as a response to the embassy attack but deep down I'm sure they think it's Israel getting what they deserve.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025557#Comment_122025557

Do they think America would condemn them a targeted attack against terrorists in Qatar more than it would condemn the indiscriminate carpet bombing the entire Gaza strip or the reckless destruction of an embassy of an American adversary in a third country in an incident that is likely to trigger a regional or global escalation in a way that is far more detrimental to American national interests?

Come on. Israel aren't not attacking Hamas in Qatar because they don't want to annoy the Americans. They didn't care if the Americans would be annoyed when they blew up the Iranian consulate. and they don't care if they annoy the Americans when they're bombing aid workers in Gaza

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025593#Comment_122025593

Maybe they don't want to show their hand?

They managed to swipe away 99% of what Iran just threw at them without breaking a sweat. Could be making more sense to just let Iran have that swipe to appease their population/supporters, but for Israel to now just sit back and wait rather than show what they are capable of.

IBrows89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025829#Comment_122025829

For me it's not saying that anybody deserves any of what's gone on but more so I think it proves the hypocritical nature in the way Israel has behaved. The way Israel has treated Palestinian and the conflict in Gaza but then has the US and UK to help them keep the Iranian attack at bay, whereas the civilians in Gaza have had nothing to protect their innocent.

This is why I mean it's completely disproportionate.

aidanodr

From Iranian Embassy in Ireland ( AUDIO embedded in article link ):

When questioned about Iranian funding for groups such as Hamas and Houthis - both of which are labelled as terrorist organisation by a number of western governments - Dr Kazemi compared them to the IRA. 

“Why do they attack Israel? They are resistance groups, they are not terrorist groups,” he said. 

“Look at Irish history, if we had no resistance group in Ireland, we wouldn’t have an independent Ireland.” 

https://www.newstalk.com/news/iranian-embassy-any-israeli-retaliation-will-trigger-strong-and-severe-response-1716276

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025543#Comment_122025543

Can't believe how silly and stupid he was by walking straight into her trap.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024100#Comment_122024100

Just like Netanyahu's Amalek speech then.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122024710#Comment_122024710

Israel cursed with horrible leadership too it seems. One as bad as the other.

saabsaab

I have no time for Iran their support for Russia and givng them drones but Israel's policies of expansionism and appropriation backed with military force will lead to their own destruction eventually.