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General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,268 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Well done Palmer, told the other 2 lads to jog on, he is the penalty taker and he took it - and scored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    to go level on goals with haaland as well. pretty impressive. 9 pens though, that must be an anomaly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Not there yet but he is close. He could pass out these players yet this season.

    9 penalties from 20 PL goals is 45% of all Palmer's goals being penalties.

    Bruno Fernandes first 18 months saw him score 13 penalties (4+9) from his first 26 PL goals (50%) after arriving in January.

    From memory, the highest number of penalties scored, relevant to the most number of goals overall would be Andy Johnson who scored 11 penalties to make up his 21 PL goals in 2004/2005. That's just over 52%.

    Obviously you'll have some players who scored 7 or 8 in a season but that might be their total amount so it'd not really relevant to this. Is there anyone higher than Johnson?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,043 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Game week 33 table

    73

    Man City (91/44)

    72

    71

    Arsenal (89/49)

    Liverpool (89/41)

    70

    69

    68

    67

    66

    65

    64

    63

    Villa (78/19)

    62

    61

    60

    Spurs (78/16)

    59

    58

    57

    56

    55

    54

    53

    52

    51

    50

    Newcastle (68/17)

    Man Utd (68/-1)

    49

    48

    West Ham (63/-6)

    47

    Chelsea (68/9)

    46

    45

    44

    Brighton (62/2)

    43

    Wolves (61/-5)

    42

    Bournemouth (60/-10)

    Fulham (57/-2)

    41

    40

    39

    38

    37

    36

    35

    34

    33

    Palace (51/-17)

    32

    Brentford (47/-11)

    31

    30

    29

    28

    27

    Everton (45/-16)

    26

    Forest (41/-16)

    25

    Luton (40/-24)

    24

    23

    22

    21

    20

    Burnley (35/-35)

    19

    18

    17

    16

    Sheff Utd (34/-54)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Everton are in a tailspin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,008 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Great result for Chelsea with the FA cup semi-final next up. They drew with City in Manchester a while back and are now on an 8 game unbeaten run with five wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    I don't get the asterisking goal totals for penalties. Its a skill in its own way.

    There's more time to overthink, less for instinct. No momentum to follow through on, you need to generate that power yourself. All the attention is on the taker. A strong mentality is needed. You could be up against a keeper who's beens studying your technique and history.

    Its definitely not as straightforward as some people make it out to be. Even the penalty takers with the best success rates have missed a few.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭bdmc16


    Absolutely should be asterisk to penalties. The odds are stacked overwhelmingly in favour of the penalty taker who has a free shot on goal vs a goal from open play 11 vs 11 usually.

    No denying Cole palmer is an absolutely fantastic penalties taker and it is a skill in itself but when half your goals are penalties and you are joint top scorer it’s definitely a difference from the players with same tally of goals but scoring them from open play themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Any keeper worth its salt saves the first goal and then it’s a different game potentially



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    That's as embarrassing as it gets. It's literally something you'd see in a primary school lunchtime kick about. Not a good look for Poch either does he have any control over these players?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭DvB


    Who was the captain on the field? Surely he should have stepped in & reminded the players there was a designated penalty taker?

    If I was the manager thats the question I'd have been asking.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,503 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Modern footballers, eh!

    To be fair, the way goal bonuses go at footy clubs there days, scoring that could have been worth 50k extra this week to one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    it's not the same as scoring from open play though, it's much easier. Watkins has scored 19 goals and all of them are from open play. Palmer is a class act though - it says a lot about City's ridiculous financial superiority that they could just shrug and let him go a (supposed) rival.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Gallagher is the captain. He did grab the ball and hand it to Palmer to be fair to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    A player can be anonymous for 89 mins, or play horrendously bad, but his team wins a controversial penalty in the last minute. There is a skill to scoring penalties alright but if this lad scores the penalty, he gets lauded as the hero, the MOTM, shoots up the scoring charts and fans start calling for his name when the POTY conversation comes up. Whereas in reality, the player should have been subbed off.

    When penalties are a forwards primary route to goals, and he is not contributing effectively in other areas of his games, then the point has to be made. When a forward is scoring 15-20 goals from play, and then supplementing these goals with 5 penalties then it is not needed as he is effectively contributing in the other areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭Lauras Law


    I was surprised to see T.Silva with all his experience seemingly being in favour of Madueke taking the penalty before Gallagher got involved. I'd have expected him to have the cop on to take the ball for the designated penalty taken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    he has a wealth of attacking options, but defensively England look quite slow and I'm not sure a Rice/Bellingham midfield would provide enough cover against the likes of France or Spain. I'm not sure who else he can play in there though, Henderson is surely finished at the top level.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,982 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Move Palmer out, put Bellingham in the 10 and then maybe JWP beside Rice? Or maybe just play Stones as the DM beside Rice.

    Palmer a great option off the bench then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,892 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    It’s still a shot at goal where something like 77% of them are scored (and often not of the players own creation)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,461 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    One of few players to actually show some leadership at Chelsea and the word is that they're looking to sell him this summer!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Looks great on paper but I'd have serious doubts about it in reality.

    England wasted their last golden generation by trying to fit names onto a team sheet.

    The midfield needs to be Rice, Mainoo and Bellingham.

    If they don't balance the middle correctly it won't matter who's on the pitch

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mainoo has done very little without the ball to say that he would provide balance to a midfield that Bellingham, Gallagher or both would not provide in the same position while also contributing far more up the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Why would you pull Bellingham back deeper when he's been so good further up the pitch for Real this season?

    Bellingham is the man they need to build around in the midfield. Rice and Mainoo seem to be the best pairing on form to do that.

    Gallagher will be good backup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,137 ✭✭✭jacool


    Except in this case, neither is true. Palmer had already scored a perfect hat-trick, the fastest in premier League history, and has 9 assists to his name. If Chelsea get a penalty, in the 89th minute vs Bournemouth, on the last day of the season, to get them into European football, I bet they'll be glad to have him there, and recognised as the designated penalty taker. He has a better chance of scoring then the two lads fighting over the ball like children. As said above, great leadership by Gallagher, who they should not be selling in the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Dele said it best last night. Where were the Chelsea players queuing up when they had a last minute penalty to draw with City a while back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,904 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    I wasn't talking about Palmer specifically, or the Chelsea incident. More replying to the poster on the idea of "asterisking goal totals for penalties".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,867 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Bellingham is wasted back deeper, he can do it well true, but comfortably his best is as a 10.

    Mainoo/Gallagher should be partnering Rice.



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  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't think Mainoo is ready yet, though not sure what quality options they have in deeper midfield.



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