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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭alps


    Exodus of >100 cow operators and processor closures. Push for milk in cows, higher numbers, more facilities and not long before those left in the game owe 10k per cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Is it possible the Co Ops could have their own farms like the factory's have feedlots. In the future..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    I think it's more inevitable than a possibility. They may not own the land but there are a lot of operations around the country now that are "too big to fail" from the coops point of view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    I’m one of them soldiers.have around 120 acres.85 of my own and rest rented right beside me.by yr end don’t know what will happen to rented ground and if it’s gone I’ll be back down to 40 cows.game over for me and not knowing where or what I’ll be at



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Ah KG,

    I feed forage from my land..you guys feed up to 50% of daily intakes with grains dragged from half way round the world.
    Take your own advice..!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Yes, there must be mahooosive profits being banked from Kerrygold, but does any share of that make its way back to the farmer?

    I’m producing milk for AOP butter. The milk I produce for that butter gets quite a premium. The AOP butter is significantly cheaper than Kerrygold on the supermarket shelves.
    IFA ever do an audit on it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Kerry2021


    Like it’s fair to say even the land you own together with your stock is easily a €1 million+ business and all these new rules with the nitrates could effectively remove your right to make a living from it without giving you a cent in compensation. When pubs had to close during covid we had the government showering them with money

    I think if the co-op’s got all our farms for absolutely nothing in the morning and had to pay us all the same wages as they pay the guys on the factory floor that they whole thing would hardly last 12 months. Almost 10 years ago I knew people getting €50/hour on bank holidays in the co-op factory in Listowel, probably closer to €60 by now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,916 ✭✭✭straight


    That's correct, farms won't run with all the labour costs. The whole industry is built on slave labour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I will tell you the guys doing the 7 day 3 cycle shift are pulling over 1300/week that the guy driving the forklift in Listowel and you see there crying when they are left off a few months during the winter .No wonder Kerry plc are doing there level best to get rid of the Agri side It is insane when you think how they will screw the primary producer every which way!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭cosatron


    Lock those girls in the paddock or you will be ruined for the rest of the year. Are your cows solid with the grass and 9kg of nuts.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    No we don't.on average at most 20 % in a year is brought in ration and that's in a bad year,wouldn't be the average year.add to that surely irish tillage can compete to fill that void and would make up a good proportion of that with obviously some small percentage of soya for protein.if irish tillage can't compete to make the bought in ration how can it make sense for farmers to grow tillage to feed their cows.and don't say oh it's the miller's.it ain't that not that they are angels.unless you ve very good land grass is the only option for irish dairy and nor frankly do we have the scale to facilitate it in most farming operations



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,147 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I’ve two options: Tirlan and Arrabawn. And I’m leaning towards Arrabawn. I’m in mid county Waterford so deep Tirlan country but Arrabawn have 12-15 suppliers around here and their lorry passes my gate.

    No major deciding factor but a few things that are steering me towards Arrabawn:

    • I buy little or nothing from the local Tirlan shop - they’re €10-20 a ton dearer on feed and fertiliser than the independent merchants around here
    • The farmers I spoke to who supply Arrabawn spoke highly of them and I trust those lads as steady, no-BS men who’ve been milking cows for 40 years. Herd sizes would be 80 up to 200 cows. They’re former Tirlan/Glanbia/Avonmore suppliers
    • I don’t like the size and management in Tirlan. Admittedly that’s only on what I see in the media and from listening to their suppliers complaining at farm meetings
    • I spoke to the Arrabawn rep a few months back and asked him if he’d send the milk lorry driver to our yard to see if the roadway would be OK for driving into where I’m putting the parlour. He called a week later and said it’d be grand. I was impressed that the rep organised the visit, and that he was prompt about it
    • I’m guessing milk price will be similar in both
    • I’ll have to build up shares in both so no real difference there, even thou we have a few shares in Tirlan from when we were suppliers years ago

    As I said, nothing is decided yet. And it’s only now I’ll be getting down to the details with both but Arrabawn are in the lead on paper.

    I’d be interested if anyone had any thoughts on either option. DM if you prefer. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Go with arrabawn for your own sanity, Tirlan aren't a nice shower to be dealing with at the best of times but their a seriously inept, and flawed organisation, their a dairy co-op replica of the hse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,704 ✭✭✭tanko


    Why don’t you quit doing it then if it’s slavery?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Whatever co op you go with keep the main inputs feed fertilizer etc with independent merchants, that way you’ll keep some control over your finances and get better value shopping around. I know of plenty farmers down our way with Kerry who buy everything off kerry and are often left with pittance when the milk cheque comes and add to that they’re the most expensive for most things by far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    lads think long and hard re Arrabawn …we’ve paid a great milk price last 2 years ….tirlan have matched it and more with spin outs tops ups and various supports ….we don’t have that capability ….it’s a good coop but dig deeper it’s not as rosey as it seems



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    Try Harder at what? It's a genuine question, You're hardly naiive enough to believe it doesn't?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭cosatron


    I would echo this aswell. Awful messing going on since kilconnell closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,962 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    I would agree. The spin outs and top ups are adding a nice bit onto milk cheque for Tirlan suppliers

    If they can get their debt down and this new cheese plant does what they told us it would they should be able to put another 1-2c onto milk price.

    They should be a really strong coop within 5 years imo

    To add to the that if you owe little to nothing to Tirlan and can keep the account low you will get very good prices on feed and fert.
    Stay away from them for the small day to day bits. That’s where they rob you



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    reality is there already a very strong coop and on a pretty good position ….the level of supports they’ve just announced for march is in all fairness impressive



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Their getting debt down by hawking of plc shares, the exchange-able bond for 250 million effectively means another 5% of the co-ops shareholding is gone as share price has crossed the 35% mark, its criminal the amount of capitial in plc shares that's been lost the past decade all for a few shiny driers and a new cheeseplant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Lol.

    You started it!!

    Visatorro posted that he’s giving nearly 9kg of an 18% nut..that’s roughly half of daily intakes.
    Yes I know, awful logic from me, but I was using false logic/data to make my point.

    As an AOP producer I’m allowed feed 750kg of grains (maximum) per head. That grain must have full provenance, be non-gmo, and sourced from no further than 50km away.
    I get well paid for that, and it doesn’t change anything to my current system. You use whatever crap you want to use to supply for milk for Kerrygold butter, but you don’t get a cent extra.

    By far the best paying maize I grow is what’s fed to cows, except in 2022.

    When the derogation goes, what exactly do you propose to do with your ‘surplus’ land?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,916 ✭✭✭straight


    I will sooner or later I guess. Might do something handy like calf to beef and cull cows. Just enough to feed the habit like.

    I'm not sure of your definition of slave labour but what I mean is not getting paid for all the labour that goes into farming.

    I worked in the hi tech industry for almost 20 years. There was a start time and a finish time. Every hour over 39 was paid at time and a half for the first 4 and double time after that. Triple time on Bank Holidays. Paid holidays, paid breaks, health insurance paid for the whole family, pension contributions, shares. Not allowed work over 60 hours per week because EU legislation made that illegal. The list just goes on and on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,703 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Going of twitter even the im alright jack mister perfect types are in the throes of been mildly/severley depressed and openly admitting it, this spring is the canary in the coalmine i reckon, co-ops are in for some kick in the hole next year re milk supplies whatever about 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    +++ share options etc.

    Great post! Should be essential reading for every farmer raising ‘little farmers’.
    The whole agricultural industry depends on slavery from farmers that happen to finance the lot, take 100% of the risk, and have no say whatsoever on the price of their produce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭older by the day


    +2. I'm with drinagh coop. They might seem dear but they pay a 15euro a ton rebate paid the following April on fertiliser and ration. They are dearer with nuts,and cheaper with straights around here.

    Another thing is they can do same day delivery if you were badly stuck. That's a mighty service especially feeding dairy cows.

    Then the quality of the feed.

    It all must be added up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,464 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    They haven't actually named the base price yet , just the top ups, I'd wait for that before praising them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    in the pr piece they have the support is available to autumn calving supplies for march……its just a pity the contract ends in February each year:)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭alps


    Good thought process there.

    Also give some time on the contract you will have to sign, and in particular what the exit process is.

    Arrabawn have the fairest process of the MSA's I've seen in that if you notify them by August, you can leave the following Spring. I've a feeling Tirlan is a 2 year notice period during which time you are not entitled to bonuses.

    The capacity to leave should not be underestimated.



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