2024 F1 General Discussion Thread

Blimey. You've missed the point pretry spectacularly. I haven't said (or implied) that horner should go. I also haven't tried to win the discussion at all. In fact, I've been pretty clear that we don't know what happened because, well it's true.

We don't know whether the investigation was independent or not because we don't have evidence one way or the other. We don't even know what the investigation question or scope or findings.

I wonder if you're mistaking me for another poster. Can you quote or even paraphrase something I've said that suggests Horner should be gone?

Innocent because we don't know what the investigation covered or uncovered and because they don't want to rock the applecart is more accurate...

Yeah, I get it. I hate it when people ask for evidence to back up assertions....

And any quotes or paraphrase of me saying Horner should go?

"Public opinion" « Nosey busybodies
"Nobody has denied their legitimacy" < The accuser has been suspended for being dishonest. ! Hmm. She has remained silent in public, having signed a legal document which prohibits her from discussing the matter with anyone other than her immediate family.

So how do you expect more information to be made public?

I honestly cannot understand why people need to be involved in other people lives and affairs. After all we are all here for the racing and not for who is banging who.

"Public opinion" « Nosey busybodies

You're on a forum yourself discussing it. Horner is a public figure who makes money off that. Its the social contract he signed up for. I've no sympathy for him or any celeb caught in a scandal.

The accuser has been suspended for being dishonest.

And yet, RB have not denied the legitimacy of the texts. Nobody has come out to say they're false. Its reasonable to assume they're real. There's zero evidence to suggest otherwise. Nobody knows what happened in that investigation, its confidential and understandably so. That also means people will speculate the other way.

I honestly cannot understand why people need to be involved in other people lives and affairs. After all we are all here for the racing and not for who is banging who.

You're here for the racing. Others are not. A lot of people are "Drive to Survive" people which isn't really about the racing.

You want innocent until proven guilty despite the very obvious evidence otherwise. You might not like people discussing scandals and rumours but well a lot of other people do enjoy it. Red Bull have done a bad job managing this but it'll all blow over soon. The only place I see this being discussed is random forums, its no longer front page news.

SO back to Red Bull, just kidding, no really though :P Perez said that he will know about next year in two weeks time, what I first thought thats interesting, then thought that this will delay until summer break. Or home race at Red Bull. Reality is there is not much need in replacing him. Second in championship and whom to replace him?
Alonso to bring some spice into it?
Sainz who did not score favorable, against Verstappen, when in the same team, but is in the form of his life?
Tsunoda who demolishes a struggling Ricciardo?

Sainz is on the shopping list of a lot of teams
Sauber/Audi he was named long time ago as their desired driver.
Red Bull might be an option
Mercedes safe bet to support Russell until Antonelli can jump in
Aston Martin - Multiple race winner they will like and might replace Alonso as Nr 1

Aston will need drivers for the Valkyrie in wec for 2025, that would be ideal for lance. Sainz and Alonso for 2025 would be an excellent line up

They are going nowhere with lance in the car and surely investors, people high up in aston etc would be putting pressure on lawrence to make a decision but wec would be a good move for him

Ah but Stroll is due his biannual good performance any race now, which will be used to justify his seat.

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https://www.racefans.net/2024/04/09/how-tsunoda-seized-on-strolls-frickin-horrible-race-to-snatch-home-point/

Worth the read through .

They don't care if he makes a 5 course Michelin star meal out of it, or how far off Max he is as long as he gets second place and they have the constructors sewn up that's Perez's job done. If he can do that I wouldn't say he's underperforming, he's not in the same league as Max. Id be surprised if we hear about a new contract for Perez in the next few weeks, I think Marko / Horner would like to get a bit further into the season and make sure he's holding up his end of the bargain before they sign him again considering the other drivers that may be available.

One thing I think they will expect Perez to do which will be harder this year, is to win the races that Max can't if he can't race (illness) or DNFs for whatever reason. Ferrari have closed the gap a good bit imo, they aren't there yet but they're not far off. But Max may well finish every race so who knows. If Perez can keep doing what he's doing and what he did last season then I don't see why they would replace him with Sainz or another driver who'll be faster.