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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭High bike


    Who's better than him,ill tell u no one what's there now are shite for sure



  • Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭jimmythesulk


    Fergal Horgan was even worse than Johnny Murphy. Probably the poorest ref at intercounty level their was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Steps Ref …Steps !!!

    How many is a foul now????

    Mullen - very selfish , crazy shots from crazy angles.

    Puckouts - Go wide and into the space?

    Ryan - Cant see why he starts.

    Penalty - Eoin Murphy should have been the man ?

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭forchange


    mossy must start big games

    My god mossy has showing when it comes to big games he is at noting

    Last 2 Leinster finals 2 all Ireland semie finals

    2 all irelands he was taking off

    He had winning of match on Saturday with a simple hand pass but failed he has no hurling skills especially on dry ground and fast ball

    I said earlier in year

    Deegan

    Reid

    Walter

    Donnely

    Mossy

    Ryan

    Buckley

    Fogarty back on panel what a joke

    Not good enough


    I see now people starting to agree

    Shine Murphy and Dunne have more to offer than Donnely Ryan hogan that started

    Clifford was excellent for boro at left half back team of the week 5 out of 6 not tried once at half back

    Heary the same

    We need some one with experience involved




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭High bike




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Fair play to Derek for dedicating 17 years to Monaghan, and they say KK don't do football

    Post edited by Conversations 3 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Marrooned




  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    4 points off bench in a national final all from play what more can he do your never bloody happy you must go asleep at night dreaming of 15 j Walsh’s starting for Kilkenny 🤣🤣🤣

    You only come out of the woodwork after a defeat never anything positive to contribute here




  • Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭Freneys Treasure


    Which forward(s) were most responsible for Kilkenny getting back into it in the second half of the league final?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Village87


    John Donnelly and Mossy. Eoin Cody lived off scraps and Cian Kenny was excellent



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  • Registered Users Posts: 236 ✭✭Freneys Treasure


    Exactly, two of the four forwards he has again written off were our best performers in the second half, in the wind and muck, against a top 3 team in a national final



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    Funny game Saturday, we didn't play at all well but had the penalty been converted could have (maybe should have) won the game. Our forwards were poor again but we scored 1-17 from play. I think the one quality we have in abundance is our work rate and commitment and I think this keeps us in games and keeps us competitive. I think there are 2 areas since the start of the league we've struggled with and that's half back and the forwards. I think most of us would tend to agree that Deegan brings ant qualities to this team but centre back is not the position for him, I think had he been at full forward on Saturday he could have done a lot of damage for us. Richie Reid is not an intercounty hurler, he doesn't have the defensive instincts needed and doesn't seem to like the physical nature of the position. Blanchfield has done well again and I think he should be tried at centre back with Carey and Murphy outside him. The forwards are just lacking in a bit of quality. Phelan has been and he would have benefitted from a league campaign. The big worry is that no other forward has put their hand up for selection and we look to be going into this campaign with the same set of forwards who haven't been good enough the last 2 years. It's a pity Stephen Donnelly has been missing as he could have stepped up. The only bright spot is that our midfield has looked more settled the last couple of games with Kenny (who's been one of our best players through the league) and Molloy who has done well. With championship only 2 weeks away we probably still don't know our best team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭forchange


    mossy has not scored a goal in any match from Leinster final on that’s fact always taking off has very little skill and to slow when it really matters

    Keeps getting picked

    Buckley would have being playing only broken nose what a joke

    Fogarty on panel what a joke

    If you go back on my texts I told you how young kenny was one of our better players

    It’s time now people woke up and realised we are no way near winning all Ireland

    I said it before trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the sign of madness and that’s what we are doing

    For the last time

    Mossy

    Ryan

    Hogan

    Donnely

    Reid

    Tommy Walsh what a run around he got

    Are not good enough to hurl for kilkenny

    How many finals is that we are after loosing in a row

    If tj doesn’t get back we will be lucky to get in to top 3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    "It’s time now people woke up and realised we are no way near winning all Ireland"

    We were in the last 2 All Ireland finals that's literally as close as you can get if not winning.

    The ignore button is a god send when you start posting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    mossy got a goal in the 2022 all Ireland final b Cody’s last 🤣🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 34 BORO BILL


    Bitter little man or woman, I can see you sipping your pint in the rod iron pretending to be a Kilkenny supporter but secretly hoping they get beaten.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭me89


    Pathetic post as usual, nowhere to be seen after the Limerick match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    you never have fifteen skilful hurlers on a team there always has to be one or two moleckers.Mossy is always worth his place and besides scoring the four points he also won a free which was scored and nearly got a bad pass near the end which he could have done damage with.



  • Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    And mossy's touch to control the ball was top notch too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    "For the last time"

    How I'd love to believe that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭randd1


    Anyone else worried about Deegan at CB and the fact we can't seem to make the ball stick up front?

    Carey, if fit, is the CB for me ahead of Deegan, Paddy just has a tendency to get suckered into things and leaves too much space in front of the FB line. I'd prefer to have him as a covering midfielder, and he's well worth a couple of scores on his day too, though really needs to look up before he delivers long ball. Kenny is starting to show promise too in midfield, I wouldn't mind seeing the two of them given time to gel together in midfield.

    Up front I feel is our downfall though, we just lack the quality of winning the ball in tight corners and just whipping it over the bar on our own. I think as well a word needs to be had with Mullen and Cody, far too often the first option is the shot at goal under pressure when the pass is on for someone else, both have the potential to be match winners, but take the selfish option a little too much.

    I'd also be worried about our forwards movement in general, we're a bit too static up front at times, and we see ball being lobbed up too often as a result.

    A bit of movement with ball delivered in front of the man to run onto, a bit less selfishness, and a serious improvement on our first touch/striking under pressure up front, we could be a more serious threat for that AI. Easier said than done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    did any of ye think Adrian Mullens game was effected when the ref had a long chat with him after he tackled the lines man on the way off of the pitch at half time was he threatened with a red card?



  • Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭JohnCougar


    I have to say your post has offered no solutions or what players should replace the players that you say are not good enough. We have won the last 4 Leinster Finals, runners up to a fantastic Limerick team in 2 All Ireland finals and one league final, runners up to Clare on Saturday night after beating them in the real matches that count for the last two years . A lot of counties would love to be at this level.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 CJThurling


    What is the story with TJ's injury is he back for the first round?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18 The Flying Donkey


    I agree that we should look at other options at centre back outside of Paddy. I think Paddy is ideally suited to wing forward - he’s great stamina, good in the air and he’s fairly accurate. He would bring a leadership to the group when TJ is not there.

    I would move Adrian Mullen the other way. I know Adrian didn’t give the obvious pass to Billy Ryan last Saturday for the goal (I think he was anxious to score after missing so much), but in general he has great vision, physicality and recovery pace. He would need time to develop his positioning but if John Conlon who hardly ever hurled centre back (even for his club) can become an All Star after being a forward most of his inter county career, I think Adrian is more than capable of making the same transition.

    A half back line of Blanchfield, Mullen and Carey would be good in the air, have plenty of mobility and hurling to become the wall we haven’t had in quite some time.

    I would keep the Molloy and Kenny combo in midfield. I think Jordan will only be the better for the experience of last Saturday as it was another step up and you can only understand where you need get to by experiencing it. Between them they cover a fierce amount of ground, are generally good decision makers on the ball and pop up for a score.


    For the forwards, I would have TJ, Donnelly, Cody, Mossie, Deegan and whoever shows form between Billy Ryan, Tom Phelan, Wally, Conor Heary, Timmy Clifford, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,965 ✭✭✭kksaints


    We're too short on forwards with a touch of class to move Mullen out of the forwards. Corcoran or Carey look the best options atm but they should be told to sit in the backline. Our centre back is dragged out of position far too often for it not to be a tactical error by management at this stage. Similar issues apply to the full back line and rucks, there always needs to be one sitting back so that if the ball bounces out the opposition isn't clean through. If management can't see them as issues at this stage, they're not doing proper match analysis as those issues are costing us repeatedly at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I Think all mistakes made on Saturday night can be rectified with the injured players back I think we could make a big impact this year.

    Murphy

    Butler Lawlor Walsh

    Blanch Carey Murphy

    Kenny Deegan

    Mullen Donnelly Ryan?

    Cody Keoghan Reid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Village87


    Yes i agree with the post about Deegan out of the backs, there is a place for him but not in the backs imo. He is just to slow and poor on the ball. Management do not know what to do with him either, started forwards, midfield and centre back already this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    Good team but I’d put Deegan wing forward and Molloy in midfield…. Billy drops to the bench.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Village87


    Billy Ryan received a ball against Clare very early in the match, he was close to goal and at an angle, he was one on one with a back and it was 100% goal chance. He ended up taking about 7/8 steps and overcarrying, that was it for me and realised to will never be the player we want him to be. Any top player would have manufactured a goal or a quality save in that situation. It is actually disrespectful to current panel members to see him get chance after chance for the last 6 years without delivering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    Very frustrating alright, I actually think he doesn't realise how much damage he could do if he used his pace and ability to its full potential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    did anyone notice on Saturday night there was no target practice during the warm up , most unusual also Eoin Cody put the last free over the black spot when we were three points behind WHY?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    I think we were four down at the time?..could be wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    How does he go for Ballycallan? Is he anymore dangerous when hurling club?



  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭forchange


    very sad

    I know nothing about hurling

    I see people suggesting Adrian Mullen for centre back 12 months ago I suggested that people said I mad

    Told you paddy Deegan not good enough

    Billy Ryan not good enough

    And as for mossy when it comes to fast ball hard ground to slow no skill facts he has showing over years his record is there to see

    Now we win 4 Leinster who we beat Galway

    Our last 3 all irelands we were destroyed

    Beaten by a Clare team at half pace

    And you call that success

    Was not around after Limerick match

    Well anyone thinks that a good result just go and read Tom Ryan article

    As he said if it was horse race Limerick team would be in the stewards room explaining themselves

    And some kilkenny lads thinking it was a great result

    We had Ryan Donnely mossy Reid on team

    Who are just not good enough

    And now everyone saying same about Deegan

    Anything people giving out about now I told everyone 3 years ago

    So maybe I might know something about the game

    The object is to win all irelands which we are failing miserably at

    Back after Leinster when the real hurling starts



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Kk u19s play dublin at home next weekend in the final. They play a nice brand of hurling and theres some very good players on it. Well done to mark aylward and gortha and the rest of the lads.i know counties all looked at this competition differently but i think most of the counties participated. It was a good innovative from kilkenny so well done.Talking to a chap involved he is absolutely delighted to be part of things. Getting a really good standard of training and being in around this environment will hopefully stand to these chaps next year.

    Just on the seniors i think derek will acknowledge he has a few things to rectify going into the championship but id prefer to be getting them now . The luxury is he has a few games where he can experiment in leinster. Shane murphy has being the player of the league and from being number 30 on the panel he will start the championship. Himself and tommy could battle it out for a spot but he has being a positive. Cian kenny has shown consistency which is another positive and molloy missed the bulk of the league but definitely he has something to offer

    The negatives is obviously we havent settled on a center back.Whats dissapointing is we all knew we needed a players tried but when Corcoran got injured he went immediately for paddy. I think he has accepted he cant go for richie at 6 again this year but hopefully after last weekend he will accept deegan isnt the answer in this postion at county level.Paddy is club hurler of the year and will always give his all. He has put out fires on every line. Im convinced the best will be got from paddy in midfield or half foward. Mikey carey will probably be tried at 6. He wasnt far away last weekend so he will be available sunday week.

    Billy drennan is another couple of years away but we need to remember its only his 2nd year on the panel and he has a good bit to go if he is going to make it.None of that winning u20 team 2 years ago have nailed a spot. Clifford also has a good bit to go. Its very hard to break into the senior team straight away. Most players will tell you it takes a few years. Cathal o neill is on the limerick panel a few years.

    Luke hogan came from absolutely no where to start a league final. I definitely wouldnt be critical of this chap. He got a few points against waterford,goal against limerick but it didnt go his way last weekend. I thought they might of brought owen wall on last weekend he is direct and has a bit of pace.Another negative is billy ryan isnt improving. I know ballycallan got a few good games out of him midfield but not his fault he is after getting a huge amount of chances its hard to see how he will start the championship.

    I know butler and carey were very close and probably could of played if they wanted to.Tj was a precaution. Tom phelan expected to be back around the carlow match. Wally is still a good few weeks away. Stephen donnelly who alot of us had hopes for is struggling with the hips. Unfortunately its in the family he had a cousin michael who was excellent but injury cut his career very short. Hopefully Stephen can get back on the pitch soon.

    We arent a million miles away but we need to fix a few problems and need a bit of luck. Theres pressure on henry to deliver something in galway. Wexford and dublin next weekend should be a good match. Dublin have a good record the last few years against them and galway.The kk v galway match in Salthill could have a element of shadow boxing. Both teams happy with draws the last few years.It will be intresting to see if lyng is learning anything at all from playing wexford in the last round.

    Looking foward to see how far this kk u20 team can go. Conditions have being woeful and it hasnt helped that offally team who are alot of peoples favorites to win silverware. Kk need to manage the break well and be fresh for a few weeks when the safety net is gone. Theres no doubt we have the easier side of draw but we hopefully have a few lads who will play senior county.They will be left with the 20s to concentrate with that group.



  • Registered Users Posts: 194 ✭✭jamesbond2022


    No one said you knowing about hurling


    People’s issue is you come on regurgitating the same stuff about players being not good enough and never come up with alternative players to replace the ones you think aren’t good enough

    You come across as a bitter auld lad who still mourns the loss of ground hurling and thinks that any changes in the game right now are bad and ‘’it was way better in my day’’ kind of attitude

    Most people on here give both positives and negatives in relation to games and players

    But you seem to take more pleasure in putting the boot into players and management

    It comes across as your happier when Kilkenny lose tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Village87


    I do not know how John Donnelly gets so much criticism off him. Any big games we won the last few years John Donnelly has proved vital, great outlet in the air, and great hands, very hard working and unselfish player, excellent when we beat Limerick in the semi final with some great turnovers. A massive player for us imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭tibruit


    Back in the day you`d be lucky to get away with six steps never mind ten or twelve. You wouldn`t have got away with throwing the ball at all. I think DJ took nine steps to score a goal against Wexford in 1991 and it`s still remembered by Wexford lads today. It`s so common in games now that it`s forgotten about a week later.

    We`ve reached a point where if a trainer wanted to be innovative he should incorporate a bit of ground hurling in drills to unlock how teams defend now, particularly at the highest level. The possession obsession, supported by the blind eye to throwing, ridiculous rucks, constant overcarrying….I don`t think we`re in a better place.

    As for short puck outs….far too much time is wasted on goalkeepers distribution. I have yet to see any statistics that support the work it out from the back strategy. You are more likely to retain possession beyond the opposition`s 65 by going long than by going short. And that is at the highest level. Then when you consider where the turnovers occur the evidence becomes even more damning. Rant over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    Would agree with you 100% on this. He does so much of the unseen things like creating space for others and as you say a very unselfish player. I thought he was brilliant the last 15 minutes on Saturday night when we really needed him. I think him having to go midfield in the AI final last year was a massive loss to our forwards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭mooz


    Think we're being very harsh on Billy Ryan. He seems to be the one that gets most criticism, regardless of how well he plays. I think Billy does alot of unseen work that he doesn't get credit for. He's always on the move and tends to drag backs with him, creating space more often for the likes of Eoin Cody etc. His pace is an asset to the Kilkenny forward line because not too many possess his speed. David Fitzgerald got a goal following about 12 steps yet had Billy not being blown, he was through on goal. The most obvious chance was when Mullen wouldn't pass him the ball when he was clear through on goal. He certainly would have scored and it's not the first time this has happened where the man in the best position is not receiving the ball. I think Billy tackles well and often gets a hook or block and puts defenders under pressure with his speed. He wins more frees for the team than he is given credit for. He has a fantastic attitude and perhaps might be the reason he is getting picked by Brian Cody and Derek Lyng!



  • Registered Users Posts: 33 dodgysub


    Will Conor Heary be available soon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Village87


    I do not agree with this myself. Goes missing in the big games constantly. TJ, Mullen and Cody are the players who draw all the attention and the likes of Billy Ryan should be excelling with less attention. If any other forward put there hand up he would be gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 black and amber rock


    My team for next week would be:

    Murphy

    Butler Lawlor Walsh

    Blanchfield Deegan Murphy

    Carey Kenny

    Donnelly TJ Mullen

    Shine Mossy Cody



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭kentu


    Harry Shine won't have any hope of playing I'd imagine, Gearoid Dunne more likely to be involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    Murphy

    Butler Lawlor Walsh

    Blanchfield Corcoran Murphy

    Carey Kenny

    Mullen Donnelly Ryan/Deegan

    Keoghan TJ Cody



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,251 ✭✭✭barneygumble99


    minor panel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    I wonder will the U19 final against Dublin be on with the minor on Saturday or the senior on Sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭mooz


    Thursday at 6.30pm in Nowlan Park



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Village87


    Looks like a hurling squad from Sligo or Monaghan. 18 representatives from 3 clubs



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