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General Race Thread 2024 **spoilers**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    The images from above are pretty distressing but hopefully it's just broken bones at worst. Very dry roads but it must be a serious off-camber bend there; Remco also slid about 40 yards through the undergrowth- ouch.... Stage should be abandoned if the ambulance crew can't cover the extent of the chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    And Lennard Kamna is intensive care having been hit by a driver in Tenerife. Giro is going to have a much different complexion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    been quick to criticise him in rhe past but think Carlton Kirby is doing a great job in difficult circumstances.

    The whole season may have been altered by that one corner. Hopefully nothing too serious



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭seaviewphotos


    Sam second in France again today, looked very strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Some of the injuries from today. Haven't seen anything about Primoz yet. Gutted for them all.

    It will be a few weeks off the bike for them, that's for sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭seaviewphotos


    I think it's between Jay Vine & Roglič who's the unluckiest rider in the peloton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Although now retired, I still think Richie Porte has that title



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Our own Danhole deserves an honourable mention in the also-ran list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,554 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Martin's slip after practically winning the monument was certainly one of the most devastating in the history of cycling from a race changing point of view.

    Crashed in what was looking like his best TdF too when he was hit by his brother in luck Richie Porte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Landa out now too. Another for the unlucky hall of fame to be fair



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,554 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Has anyone checked on the health and whereabouts of Geraint Thomas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭Thud


    Pogacar is either feeling very luck or very nervous



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭seaviewphotos


    Thomas is training with Pagacar. I'd say they're both being very careful. 😃



  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭seaviewphotos


    What about our own Eddie, he's had his fair share of incidents too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,579 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Ben Healy being a great teammate in France



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'd tend to agree with MVdP…

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/apr/05/mathieu-van-der-poel-cycling-race-safety-paris-roubaix

    Its not to say that recent efforts to improve rider safety and hold race organisers to account for dangerous parcours shouldn't be encourage and continued, but the change in dynamic in the pro peloton over the past 10 years has been something commented on by older riders every season and the possibility that certain skill sets and road craft are being neglected should equally be examined and tackled. Some of the mass-crashes in recent years should never really have either occurred or had the impact they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,554 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That new Roubaix "chicane" or any attempt to slow the riders into the Arenberg will just create a new pinch point to crash at instead. Ya crashing on the cobbles is a bit worse but it won't stop crashes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    I didn’t see anything in the crash at Basque Country to lay blame st the feet of the organisers. Maybe the peloton didn’t need to be riding downhill like it was a sprint lead out with riders 10 abreast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,554 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think the hidden concrete trough done a lot of damage. Probably should have barriered, flagged or not had a route into that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,579 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    If they could schedule a train to pass at the start of the arenberg 30s before the peloton hits it, problem solved!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they could have covered the drain with planks of wood, half the injuries prevented.

    Every year the race has some dodgy finishes. Descents into sprints etc. I don’t like it.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Would they have to cover every drain on every bend for the entire course?

    There is no end to what you can do.

    Bike racing, especially downhill is always going to come with risks you can't reasonably control.

    The genesis here is rider error



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,846 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Remco came in there at 78km/h on bumpy uneven road, rider error all day long & the rest was a knock on effect for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭Thud


    Stick some bales on the corner, serge two purposes as a visual warning uts a risky corner and something to bounce off if you do go off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    How many bales should be put down and which corners, what's the criteria, who pays for it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭Thud


    bales aren't that expensive and farmers can have them back afterwards. Race organisers put them out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    But which corners get the bales, and who will pay for this service?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    rider error? Are you serious? There was absolutely no barrier between the road and the drain. It’s bad course design. You have to make the course as safe as possible. You know 100% riders are descending fast and on the edge. IT’S A RACE.


    As I said, this race has poor form with protecting riders. If it was a once off I wouldn’t have commented.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,663 ✭✭✭Thud


    it's not that complicated, they race organisers pay. Surely they have a safety team to assess which corners should require barriers but they obviously didn't do their job correctly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    is the implication here that the race organisers can’t afford to make certain things safer?

    It’s not like anyone is suggesting an enclosed course, but allowing that ditch to go uncovered on a downhill bend was clearly a mistake. I’m sure they’ll learn from it to be fair



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    We'll deal with one step at a time.

    Barriers/hay bales are a protection once a rider has left the road and is heading for drain. The drain/concrete barriers doesn't cause him to leave the road; ergo its rider error which causes him to go off road. Are you seriously debating that? How can a rider leaving the course here not be as a result of rider error unless you have some information about road material/bend camber/PSV/surface irregularities outside normal parameters?

    The placing of barriers are secondary controls in the event of riders going off road.

    Without the value of hindsight and according to you "you have to make the course as safe as possible" where are these controls necessary? On every bend? Just the downhill ones? What is your design criteria for choosing where to use them? Would wet weather conditions call for more controls, if not why not? The risks are higher and you have to make it as safe as possible

    Working back with 20/20 vision for a singular accident and saying you should have done a,b,c to avoid it that scenario means you have to do a,b,c everywhere.

    If you make racing as safe as possible it won't be racing. Safe as reasonably practicable considering its a high risk pursuit is probably more achievable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Have you seen some of the alpine descents that have no side barriers. The point is that it's impossible to make 100's of km safe, there will always be risks. Sure look at the controversy at PR at the moment trying to slow riders down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,554 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The problem with that turn compared to an alpine climb is the decision the rider makes when it goes wrong.

    On a mountain side you bail and take the road rash but some of those riders the other day clearly thought they had run off which is the safer option.

    Riders crash on all sorts of road but not flagging that weird drain was the crime here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,846 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    the turn in question



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke


    Exactly, the problem was the surface of the road combined with the bend. They should at a minimum have been made aware of the dodgy surface.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Live coverage of the Women's Paris-Roubaix is on Eurosport/Discovery now.

    75 km remaining and they've done three secteurs. Loads of riders gone out the back of the peloton already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Who's been dropped, any big names?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    this is very simple. Lots of races make an effort, the Tour of the Basque Country doesn’t bother. Every year there’s something with the race. This time people got badly hurt.

    They love a sprint finish on a descent, with a hairpin with 200m to go.

    Any other race I’d say “that’s racing”, with this one it’s negligence because every year there’s something.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    None of the major favourites.

    It's compelling viewing. I need to do stuff around the house but I keep coming back to the TV to watch the cobbled secteurs 🤣



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    A man with a flag. A cone. ANYTHING could have helped. They just don’t bother.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Kopecky on the attack



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Meanwhile in Basque country a break of 20 riders has 3 minutes on the chase making Rivera the leader on the road. A long difficult stage for Trek ahead I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,494 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Kopecky tightening her headset on the move



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,846 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Not much going on here at all, some small attacks for Kopecke. A big front grpup together with 50km left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Fantastic crowds for the women's race.

    Looking like Kopecky vs Vos for the win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Some power from Kopecky in the last few hundred metres. I thought that once Vos hit the front that she would win, but she ended up not even getting on the podium



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,579 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Poor kid is 18 and only 57kg, in his first monument!

    Good to see Kelly back as well, not heard from him since Paris-Nice I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    August is the youngest rider in Roubaix in 100 years. Mental really

    just about to hit the first cobbles…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,579 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    This is looking so so easy for Alpecin & MVDP, and still with 150k to go



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,554 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Alpecin just ripped everything to bits with a cobble then crosswind combo



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