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N8/N25/N40 - Dunkettle Interchange [open to traffic]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Me too, about the signage for the M8 on the N40 which indicates the M8 is accessible from both lanes of the N40, resulting in some drivers making a last minute dive across lane 2 of the N40 after they exit the tunnel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    What about Sat-Navs? last time I was through there it was both lanes for M8.

    Maybe someone going North through tunnel would ask sat-nav for Fermoy and see what it says now.

    Not everyone going through there is familiar with the layout, and it's easy to assume the N40 to M8 is a 2 lane through road with the N25 as an exit from the left lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    roadconstruction@ccc-site.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    Google maps states that any lane can be used to access the M8 slip. Crazy stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Yeah, but Google Maps has always been pretty crap as a navigation app. It's usually the last to get updated any time a road opens.

    If the signage was correct, this would be okay, but it's not, so it makes the problem worse.

    The most important instruction is "Use right lane for Dublin". I think a two panel "All other routes | Dublin" gantry would be the clearest and safest option. Everyone else has a chance to move lanes, but Dublin traffic is kind of screwed if it emerges from the tunnel in the left lane.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    Another crash at Bloomfield yesterday.

    I wonder are these planned works for the M28 or for possible improvements at Bloomfield.

    Surveying Works # Location: - N28/N40 Bloomfield Interchange / Dates: - Sunday 14/04/2024 for 1 Week (Night-time Works) / Note: - Traffic Management in effect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Its just pure bad driving there thesedays. People forcing the merge, people tailgating in the overtaking lane. Result: crashes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    And people merging from multiple different merge points.

    As discussed already here forcing mergers to merge correctly at the end of the merging lane would help avoid a lot of the tailbacks to the tunnel, and of course help avoid a lot of these crashes.

    Hopefully something is done soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    How the merge atvRathcoole on the N7 is done, it ain't rocket science

    N7

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/pbNuXhERCkNCtLNw8



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    How does that particular merge force mergers to merge correctly? Sorry I'm not a rocket scientist.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,261 ✭✭✭Fabio


    I think it might help by forcing people to continue on the merge lane due to the barrier separating the lanes. There's still a long merge opportunity without the barrier. I'm not sure there's the same amount of room at the Bloomfield Interchange but it might help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    They did have merge barriers of some sort at Bloomfield several years ago, but each and every one was crashed into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    The issue at Bloomfield is there are 2 lanes from the N28 running parallel to and unseperated from the N40 with chaotic merging onto the N40 from both.

    The 2 N28 lanes should be merged into one while separated from the N40 by a barrier, like on the N7 near Rathcoole. It is only after the emerging of the two N28 lanes should the resulting single lane be able to merge with the N40.

    Only having one lane merging, a la N7, should reduce the present chaos which is resulting in the current high rate of crashes in the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Yes, I wasn't expecting this at the end of the slip road.

    This sign doesn't help the situation either

    There's plenty room to divide the lanes on the slip road with bollards and merge each lane onto the N40, 200 or 300 mtrs apart.

    That N7 slip road is a poor comparison, it's one lane only from the roundabout, and the bollards are probably more to do with the construction business and two private houses entering and exiting the slip road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Two separate merging lanes a couple of hundred metres apart is still one too many, considering the volume of traffic on the N40. Is it not better to merge the two on the N28 into one and have just one merge onto the N40.

    I do know it’s only one lane the whole way from the roundabout at Rathcoole, I was only mentioning that location as an example to demonstrate how it is done in a better way than simply plastic bollards which don't survive for long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    This is what used to happen at Bloomfield - and indeed the markings on the road said so. Trouble is, all of the barriers were demolished by cars.

    There should be no mad merging from two lanes here at all, but the trouble is, the 2-1 merge on the sliproad happens on a bend, so you get an optical illusion of the lane ending. What should happen is no merging until after the bend when the mainline is straight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Back in 2007 I'd say it got a bit interesting.

    There is a school of thought that says to make roads safe, make them feel dangerous. Maybe they were ahead of their time back in 2007!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/02/to-make-roads-safe-make-them-feel-dangerous/386336/



  • Registered Users Posts: 708 ✭✭✭cork_south


    Another crash at Bloomfield this morning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Not Bloomfield this morning…. four cars (one a taxi and one ironically a motorway service vehicle) had the usual tailgating pileup when the first one started to brake suddenly.

    But it was where the second westbound Douglas onramp meets the N40, so not the usual spot at all.

    There was nearly a second identical crash along the N25 this morning as tailgating cars all braked due to a lorry pulling out to overtake a tractor. Much skidding.

    The more I see of these accidents its tailgating. Nothing more than that.Tailgating, aggression, silly merging causing tailgating cars to brake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Traffic on the N28 on ramp at Maryborough Hill, coming up and down the hill, which I have never seen/haven’t seen in a long time. A big problem was the second people got to the end of the ramp and onto the merge lane, they were trying to merge. No one (except me) would go to the end of the lane and seamlessly merge in. It led to a standstill as cars were braking trying to squeeze in at the start of the lane. As discussed, same happens at the merge of N28 (specifically the right hand lane) and N40. Everytime I go to the end of the lane and I get in easily without having to stop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    The only trouble with the latter (and its common at Mahon eastbound in particular) is that people come to the end of the merge and just barge in, without let nor care as to who might be in the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Oh definitely, I should have made it clear I still do it safely, and yield to traffic on the mainline. I always dread driving past the J10 on ramp eastbound, same with the N27 at its junction with Mick Barry Road



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭chalkitdown1


    Had my first experience coming from Carrigtwohill towards the tunnel yesterday. Thank god I mostly work from home, is all I can say. It's probably been discussed to death here, but those 3 lanes merging into 1 right before the tunnel is a certifiable nightmare. Spent 20 minutes alone there on a 100m stretch and then the rest of the trip was fine.

    The worst part is there's probably no way to avoid it apart from widening the tunnel, which obviously isn't gonna happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Corkladddd!!


    Not sure what time you were at but there was an accident between Mahon and Bloomfield after 6 that slowed everything down, wonder is the mile or so between Mahon / Bloomfield / Douglas Flyover statistically the most accident prone area in the country? Certainly feels like it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭chalkitdown1


    It was about 5.15.

    As far as I could tell, it was just the 3 lanes merging that was causing the delay. As soon as I got past that and it was single-file closer to the tunnel, traffic was completely free-flowing. Only a handful of cars up the Mahon off-ramp etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Did anyone email the Road Construction team about the signage in the scheme? And if so, did anyone get a response?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,964 ✭✭✭cantalach


    No. Main reason is that I'm waiting until I have a photo of all of the bad signage, and I haven't had a chance yet to photograph the signs on the N25W. But I will!



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