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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,431 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    A lot of force restructuring and transformation meetings I daresay.

    Maybe a non-aligned Chair is exactly what the EUMC needs, to highlight a bit of distinctiveness from NATO.

    I'm sure the CoS wouldn't have let his name go forward unless there was at least a fighting chance of success.

    It could be the back-scratch from the occasion V.Adm Mellett didn't get it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    On a political level you would never know whats going on and it could be the EU doing the government a favour as not only the COS but also 10 senior Staff would be required.

    If they leave for the EU it opens up a lot of promotions at home and also might make the new command structure easier to fill with a fresher broom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Given our stance on defence I find it hard to think the other members might be interested in doing us a favour in the area. I mean pretty much all of them are ramping up defence spending and we have Leo being stupid at Munich. Defence is escalating in the EU and looks like it’s going to only increase and we are still playing silly buggers about the wonders of neutrality.

    I just can’t see why it would go to the General?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,431 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its not really a military command. In fact it isn't at all. Its just an administrative chairmanship that requires military knowledge, and obviously experience enough to gain the respect of the Council.

    Its more a diplomatic position, just like any of the civilian Councils attached to the EU, so its not really about the size of the military the candidate is coming from, its whether or not the Member State can kiss enough babies to swing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The Generals in the Defence Forces must have been chatting with there collegues in AGS over pay considering the issues AGS leadership is having




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 falloutintrees


    Age is going up to 39 years of age as of the 29th of March.

    I'm curious to see how many between 29-39 will go for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I dont even think SIPTU would come out with such a statement below

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41364301.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I met him once before and had a chat with him. He sounded very resonable i dont know whats happened him over the last 18 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I see in the Times today the defence forces are 60% short of manpower for the EUBG because the DOD will not pony up the cash. I know its not the same as been deployed to a warzone but times has changed.

    Its like last week i was with a client in the North West and he was bitching that he cant get staff and his longterm staff were leavinig him. Turns out dumbass is not paying the going rate and he wonders why he has no staff, Its the same with the DOD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,431 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Whatever happened to orders in the Military?

    Yes I realise forcing the issue would only compound existing retention issues, but the State has an obligation here, and when push comes to shove, its an Army, you're going where you're ordered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If anyone has a sub to the Irish Times there is an interesting story about a irish company made up of Former defence forces and AGS members and the Libyian National Army. Very Important to note they are not doing anything wrong as its just business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭setanta1000


    According to the IT article what they were/are doing is in breach of a UN arms embargo - I'm not an expert on military legal matters so not sure how accurate this statement is :

    "The provision of military training to forces in Libya has been banned under a UN arms embargo since 2011, which forbade “technical assistance, training, financial or other assistance, related to military activities” in a bid to stop the violent breakdown of the oil-rich country as it was torn apart by rival armed factions after the toppling of former leader Muammar Gadafy." (Source: Irish Times)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭vswr


    Kind of ironic, Libya provided illegal training for Ireland, now Ireland are doing the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    One thing that is off about the story is the payments. There is no way a professional would be going out to libya for just €300 a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,931 ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    It's worth pointing out that the Libyan National Army is not the army of the UN recognised government but rather the russian backed gov in the east of the country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    But it is backed by our 3 leading export partners in the arab world Egypt, Saudi & UAE. We as a nation can not keep picking what we are morally outraged by as we say nothing because some of these nations are buying bulk loads of baby milk and beef but yet some of these are the worst nations with human rights abuse.

    They also have LE Aisling i wonder did the any of our ERAs go out to show the locals how to work her.

    Not that its right, As bad as it is every country in the world as former military working in PMCs and we cant expect people from this country to be no different.

    A certain Military commentaor that is usually called by media to ask about situations like this is very quiet today. Would it be because he works for them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,431 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The IT has it that one serving member took a block of parental leave and went to Libya to work with this crowd.

    Thats a horse of a different colour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Indeed, while former personnel might be able to get away with this, I can't see how a serving member can avoid disciplinary action for this if true?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Wasnt there an issue a few years back were naval personal used there annual leave to provide a security detail for a tanker in the middle east?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Maybe, but then there wouldn't have been the issue of breaking UN sanctions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Not connected to us, but anyone notice how bad the Danes have had things in the last few days? First leaked reports that their air defence frigate in the Red Sea mission had significant problems with their radar systems and bad ammo for their 76mm, then the Government sacked their CoS for not informing them of the issues before the leak and ordering an investigation into the leak, and today another of their frigates has had a misfire of a Harpoon in the Great Belt area and now has a live warhead stuck onboard, causing a shut down of commercial traffic in the area…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I taught you are only aloud to have the examiner?

    I would say the IT are not happy the libya story did not gain any traction. When Niaomi o leary was on pat kenny last week he even brushed it off as nothing to see here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    This stuff has been going on for decades at all levels. Back in the Colonels day, my brother was down in Tripoli doing some (sanctions busting) business in the oil and gas industry, and he got chatting to a former very high ranking DF officer, doing some "military consultancy" work. I won't mention his name to avoid embarrassing his family. These senior general staff officers from many western militaries are in the habit of picking up this type of work to supplement their pension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭jonnreeks


    The Irish Naval Service’s two recently purchased inshore patrol vessels have been named the LÉ Aoibhinn and the LÉ Gobnait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,431 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    4-Star?

    What a con. I'm aware its a temporary rank associated with the appointment, but its worth noting that the last time we had a 4-Star Chief, the defence forces, in the guise of the National Army of the day, were 65,000 strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    It would not be temporary rank for him as if he got the gig that would see him out and he would have to be of equal rank to his colleagues from EU nations that he would deal with.

    If he gets the gig it is a great oppertunity for the Defence Forces to get fresh blood up the ranks as he would be taking sevral senior members of the command staff with him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The chances of him getting the gig are so small, they aren't worth mentioning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭roadmaster




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    no surprise really, though at this point I’m not sure if it would make any material difference. I mean hell it’s not like the DF was a massively funded and equipped force when there was.



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