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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Like for like, Same power and torque, will still be some lag in the ice. I notice it in the Outlander too, manual, 150 Hp vs 205 Hp id3 but the id3 is a lot heavier and also no gears.

    Petrol 500 CC Yamaha Tmax 500 feels way faster than the id3 lol. Mad yoke, I suppose being Auto helps a lot too. It pulls hard, never thought for 500cc that it would have such power but can't imagine th elads on 1300 CC bikes nust be insane altogether, definitely not my thing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    see this is where the Government need to promote 2 wheel petrol scooters/motorbikes for city riding, most people in cars are only 1 person, why not encourage 1 person transport such as petrol bikes/scooters, most cars have only 1 driver and we'd free up an awful amount of space if many people would consider 2 wheels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Or electric scooters? Really don't see the appeal of driving a petrol scooter in the city. Even worse than driving a car

    It's worth noting that in cities where scooters are popular, electric scooters with swappable batteries are taking off big time

    Look at the like of Gogoro for example

    We're talking cities that are much larger and more spread out than Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The appeal is that petrol scooters can get up to 125 imp mpg which is a lot more than any other ICE car can get in town, a 125 forza or 300cc forza or XMAX for example is a very practical single person mode of transport with decent storage compared to your expensive battery powered petrol "equivalent" Even a SH125i or 300i are brilliant little things for getting about very efficiently. Most of these bikes can carry 2 people.

    The petrol scooter can go much further and faster and is cheaper and can ride around all day with petrol rather than needing hrs to recharge for limited to very limited range and if that suits the person then that's fine but the point being we should really be moving from cars that are getting larger and larger from our Towns and cities clogging up the streets, you could fit a lot more scooters/motorbikes in or even have 2 lanes for scooters where you can only have 1 car lane etc.

    The larger scooters have a good bit of storage too and could take some shopping.

    How many cars do we see with only 1 driver ? and the odd biker filtering through laughing his head off at the rest of us stuck in traffic ?

    Electric cars are not going to solve the problem with traffic congesting only our attitude towards how we move people around and big vehicles that are getting even larger, for one person isn't the answer in my opinion.

    Do I believe in a congestion charge ? no, because Dublin public transport isn't fit for purpose, if it had a good underground system and a dart like system for the West instead of a crap slow tram then I'd say maybe. But in the meantime there is a lot we could do to remove big cars with one person from our towns and cities with just a simple change in attitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,414 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    You're making a great case for an electric scooter. Four to five hour complete charge time, ranges up to 100km which is way more than adequate for popping around town and top speeds up to 80kph. And the batteries are easily removable for recharging without the need for expensive charging points.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    That person cycling past on the bike with two kids and a full shop on the rear carrier was me 😉😂

    Electric cargo bike ftw 😁

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Most EVs on night rate electricity probably cost less on fuel than an ice scooter.
    the main advantage of a scooter is congestion, many countries where there are millions of them in cities could not sustain large numbers of cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think it's probably better to say that if a lot of the scooter friendly cities suddenly turned to cars then they'd have huge urban sprawl like many cities in the USA

    It's definitely a lot better to have city traffic on bikes or scooters or, dare I say it, on a bus than in cars

    However the reality of Ireland is that we have a very spread out population relative to many of our peers (thanks property price growth).

    So we end up with a lot of long distance commuting, which is generally suited more to a car

    Ideally we'd have high speed rail lines, so you could take your scooter to the train station in Cork, bring it on the train, get to the big smoke in 45 mins because a 400km/h train will do that, and then take your scooter to work

    However apparently we don't build any rail lines in this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    There's nobody going to complain about the running costs of a modern 125 or 300 cc petrol scooter that can ride anywhere and fill up in seconds and can whiz past traffic stuck in long traffic jams.

    I think bikes offer a real advantaged against congestion and when the majority of cars are carrying only 1 person it seems mad the Government aren't trying to promote bikes as a viable single mode of transport, electric cars can't solve this and cars are getting bigger, they're much bigger than they were 30 years ago and much heavier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    The reason there's no one promoting petrol motorbikes is they aren't very clean. And all of the emissions would be in congested urban areas, having been in many Asian cities full of motorbikes I don't think the air pollution there is what we should be aiming for.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    All current bikes have to comply to the latest emissions regulations just like cars and remember bikes are much more efficient. A car that might average 7 L/100 km in city driving will emit far more emissions than a 2.0 - 3 l/100km 125/300 cc modern bike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    All the governments through the decades have failed to provide proper infrastructure, there's no reason we couldn't have electrified our rail network by now and have a much faster network, new routes, new lines.

    Naas has no rail link ffs in 2024.

    Irish Trains are slow, I was on the 400 Km/h fast train in Germany around 8 years ago, very comfortable, wouldn't know you were moving and I think it got to around 417 km/hr at one stage, a completely different way of travelling, it would be an amazing way to commute but then you get to your destination and have no way to get to the industrial estates.

    We are so far behind with transport infrastructure and to think the Government want to continue to inflict higher and higher tax because ryan is anti car in general and the more people he can force off the road through higher taxes the better in his mind, well, it's not the answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,931 ✭✭✭Alkers


    From your own graph, a petrol motorcycle is the most efficient ICE excluding a bus and even more efficient than an electric kick scooter. That impressive to me, should be encouraged in built up areas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,414 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Not dreaming. And there are loads more with similar range/speed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,414 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Except most of the pollution it generates is in those built up areas. Exactly the opposite of what's required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Probably 80 Km range but still decent I suppose although 45 Km/h but why would someone pay so much with some limitations when they can buy a petrol scooter that can ride all around the Island at decent speeds without restrictions ? But each to their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,414 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    I think you missed the model on the right with a top speed of 90kmh and a range of 137km (dual battery). A quick search on Google will find at least a half dozen more with ~100km range and similar top speed.

    And I see you've now moved the goal posts from getting around town easily on a scooter to riding all around the island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I never moved the goal posts, I said all along that the petrol bikes can do city and anywhere else with no restrictions, this is what battery scooters can't do, not everyone wants to pay petrol scooter prices for such restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    https://ir.tesla.com/tesla-vehicle-production-deliveries-and-date-financial-results-webcast-first-quarter-2024

    Tesla have a lot of unsold cars at the end of the quarter so I think the temptation to discount will be simply too high and it will place pressure on other manufacturers to discount to keep pace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    No train in Germany goes anywhere near 400. Max is 300 and new lines will be 250 because the cost of being able to do 300 for short stretches isn't worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Why is the M1 so deserted for EV charging in relation to the amount of Ecars that use it. I always wonder if they plugged the gap there wed get alot more uptake



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    In what way? Looking at ZapMap, there’s seems to be a few.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    There's a part of track between Mannheim and Frankfurt Airport that the intercity express can get 400 Km/h or slightly above it, I was on the fecking thing and it showed the speed, that was around 8 or 9 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    In proportion to the demand. High population of decent earners who use the network alot across the East coast.

    I once went to M1 Lusk to see 5 cars ahead of me in a queue for 1 Chademo. F that.

    Across the network in midlands, west, north, ive never been behind more than 1 car and had a max wait of 15 mins for the person in front to finish.

    Basically, where there are high incomes, there should be many more chargers because the likelihood of ownership and demand is high.

    Can others weigh in here? Does anyone think we have plenty of chargers for the demand there?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Maybe the chademo was the issue here. I thought there was many CCS points along that route with multiple options from Dublin to Belfast based on the maps available.

    I done Belfast to Dublin years ago in my Leaf and managed with one stop from memory but it was late at night. I left Belfast at 90’ish %.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,109 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    M1 lusk area has multiple sites now added since those days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67


    I'm going to stick with diesel. I work in the electronics area and I dont trust the idea of always being able to repair these EV's. Neither do I like the idea of lithium , of which there is only a finite supply off. I'll wait for better safer, lighter batteries.

    I've a Mazda3 skyactive, 10 years old now. Might get a second hand Diesel. Not even too pushed on the Hybrids anymore, used to be but…hmmm, might look into them. However I think all the hype with batteries is scaring me….I think they will be quite expensive long term in terms of changing battery packs, sooner then people think I feel too….



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,414 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    "Feelings". Always a great substitute for facts.



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