Breaking - Shooting and Explosion at Concert Hall in Moscow

And as I've just pointed out, it's because Russia has an existing history of suspected state terrorism and that's by historians, journalists and former FSB agents(one of which was assassinated). Most countries simply don't have such a history.

Apparently the place the gunmen were arrested was geolocated to a motorway heading to the Ukrainian border. There was a turnoff which would have led them on the main route to the Belarus border, but they had already passed it and continued on the route to Ukraine. Them heading to the Ukrainian border is odd, but for whatever reason they were heading there when arrested.

As Tajiks, towards Central Asia perhaps masquerading as migrant workers heading home? Hundreds of thousands of Tajiks in Russia doing jobs, heading back and forth routinely.

Or if they're Islamic extremists, maybe south to the Caucuses which has a history of sympathisers and extremist groups?

Or just go to ground and hide out in Moscow with local sympathisers.

I cant speak from experience here, but any of the above would seem like a better option than all climbing into the same car you arrived in and driving (on a main route) towards a border that is heavily militarised and watched. But it's already weird that these Islamic extremists wanted to a) not be martyred and b) get paid. Let's see where the investigation goes.

That was very convenient for the FSB, wasn't it? Imagine, after a major crime, with the hue and cry in full swing, they would head straight for the Russian - Ukraine border, one of the most heavily guarded borders in the world at the moment. Trigger happy guards on both sides, mines etc. No way I'd believe that.

And why should we trust the Russian government to report accurate information? They're not exactly known for their honesty.

Maybe nowhere? Still in Moscow, secure in a Muslim enclave? Or by now back in Chechnya? Dagestan? Or any of the intervening republics? For sure they're not in Russian custody anyway.

So what ye make of this?

Personally, I wouldn't believe him either, but what you or I believe is of little consequence to Putin, it's what the 140 odd million Russians believe what counts, and for them, like it or not, failure to believe in what Putin says is a criminal offence, punishable by serious jail time.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/03/23/meduza-geolocates-arrest-video-of-moscow-terrorism-suspect-to-town-85-miles-from-ukrainian-border

Being selective with what they said "Alizade’s apparent arrest location is less than five miles south of the intersection of the M3 and P-120 highways, which leads west to the border with Belarus and south to Ukraine. The location seemingly bolsters Russian state officials’ claim that the suspects were heading to Ukraine. However, the Federal Security Service has been accused before of staging arrest videos. After the 2017 terrorist attack in the St. Petersburg subway system, for example, experts at the Memorial human rights group concluded that the FSB filmed its agents arresting suspects outside Moscow, even though they’d actually been apprehended elsewhere.".,

There's nothing preventing them from staging an arrest at that location and the footage is from the FSB. I'll repeat the quote "However, the Federal Security Service has been accused before of staging arrest videos. After the 2017 terrorist attack in the St. Petersburg subway system, for example, experts at the Memorial human rights group concluded that the FSB filmed its agents arresting suspects outside Moscow, even though they’d actually been apprehended elsewhere.".

Either way, there's no indication that Ukraine had anything to do with this attack. The only ones claiming that they were responsible are Russia.

So you think they were arrested in some other place, and then transported towards the Ukrainian border, with 2 being released to flee into the woods just so they could be recaptured again, with one doing a great impression of a person suffering from shock? Was the Russian security forces cutting off one gunman's ear and feeding it to him part of the script, or just improv on the part of the Russian actor in your opinion?

I cant rule your Alex Jones crisis actors theory entirely out. But its just a lot more probable they were fleeing towards the location they were were arrested at, and which was independently geolocated to where the Russians claimed it was. If new evidence comes to light, I'll reconsider.

I think the people claiming false-flag need to take into account that so far the Russians have not officially assigned responsibility to anyone, not even the Ukrainian state. They seem to be waiting for the investigation to conclude. That seems wise.

Luckily for us its Putin in charge and not this deranged lunatic.

Reading through the comments... it seems many have a boner for the US/UK/NATO. Putin is a liar but UK/ US are not?

We are allied to greater and lesser degrees with US/UK/NATO and not Russia. We need to hold our allies to a higher standard than our foes otherwise why are we allied with them?

The USA armed the Syrian rebels https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-strategy-arming-syrian-rebels-didnt-work and many of those arms ended up with ISIS. I remember being confused in 2016 when someone called someone an Assad sympathiser. I didn't know anything about Assad. Why were the USA involved in Syria at all?

Syria borders Israel.

This is from former FBI agent Mark Waurck https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/update-on-the-moscow-terror-attack

I think it is fair to say tHat's the Russian position.

The Western position is that ISISK was responsible

As an Irish person, there's no reason for me to believe either side. The American's and British are notorious liars. Iraq war / Birmingham six. I know less of Putin's lies probably as I don't live near Russia. Why should I believe any of them? What has Russia got to gain from killing its own where Putin is already enormously popular? What has the UK/ USA got to gain? Maybe Russia can use it as an excuse to get more aggressive in Ukraine (hard to imagine how they get more aggeesive without going nuclear)?

FWIW, I sincerely hope this is not going down a nuclear path. For one, I wont get to repair the water pump if we're all dead and I'm determine to repair it.

No, it's not an automatic fight to the death and glorious martyrdom for ISIS members. Thats the ultimate aim when cornered or killed in action, but not otherwise. You must kill as many unbelievers as possible while you can, and if every ISIS jihadi got killed on his first action, they would quickly run out of members. So, no, it's not automatic martyrdom.

The FSB, throughout their history, will do anything needed according to the official script, and if the script says that the perpetrators were apprehended heading towards the Ukrainian border, that's exactly what will happen. The perpetrators will duly be arrested heading for the border. People, who have never been to or lived in Russia, make the very basic mistake that Russia has the same kind of society that we in the west enjoy ie: Laws, rules and regulations that our society lives by. Thats not the case in Russia. I've heard Russia described as a mafia run filling station. And its a pretty apt description. All Russian law, including constitutional law (which Putin has literally driven a coach and 4 through) is subject to Putins interpretation. And of course, that means that anything that any of the Russian state branches do, is covered. Be it legal or not.