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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,393 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why doesn't the government just pay these men 2,000 euro to leave the State and agree not to come back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Sense some of the Ukrainians s/w payments have stoped being paid into bank a/c they are having to collect their s/w every week in the post office .A good % are moving back home they are even attending s/w offices demanding payment to repatriate ,they probably will get it as well ,this country is gone bananas firing out s/s to every TomDick and Harry!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    They were sent up the side of a mountain in the middle of nowhere with 1 filthy dirty disgusting toilet for 120 people. They were correct to leave. Shameful.


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    What are you on about?

    When they arrived there was no sanitation and 1 filthy disgusting dirty toilet for 120 people

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,155 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    This is already an option..

    “You can contact us and we may assist you with the travel costs, financial help and the administrative support to get you ready for your journey.”

    Though if they did happen to return and claim protection again they couldn’t be barred from entry.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    What's "shameful" is how we got to this stage when it was clearly heading this way with levels of government incompetence that beggar belief. Not least handwringing idiots like O'Gorman handing out welcome mats and the virtuous crawthumpers and overstuffed "charities" egging him on. Even though he's admitted that 60% don't fit the criteria for refugees. Given a truth would strangle in his throat it's more like 90%.

    One of the replies on that tweet reckons these economic migrants were safer **** on the streets. That's the level of naive cross eyed loon this country is dealing with. The same loons have been bleating about the "Far Right" boogeyman for years are going some way to creating one in this country. Then again they'd not seen the irony. Ideologues have an irony bypass fitted.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.





  • This was a last minute optics driven decision.

    Whoever had the power to make that decision with out doing any due diligence on the condition of the destination should be fired immediately.

    It must have come right from the top of Government. I want to know.

    Incompetent fools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    If one perfectly acceptable plumbed bathroom for 120 people is a disgrace, then why go back up the streets where there is nothing; they are gong in the street? Could someone explain?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    The Mont Street men should be assessed rapidly with no appeals permitted.

    If they cannot prove they originate from an active warzone or prove clearly that they are a target oppression: rejected. If they previously claimed asylum in a safe country: rejected. If they destroyed their travel documents or broke the law in any other way en route: rejected.

    I'd expect that under these reasonable criteria 99-100% would be rejected.

    Those who are rejected are immediately and forcibly deported. If they refuse to identify themselves they are now criminals (if they weren't already). Hence, they should be jailed until they co-operate.

    Ambassadors from the various mega-nations flooding this tiny island with their colonists should be called in to co-operate in this process. If they fail to do so satisfactorily, aid to these nations should be suspended, along with other punitive measures, until they do.

    These people are not here out of desperation. They have other options. There is nothing neccessary, natural or inevitable about their presence.

    And the Mont Street problem would be solved with a respectable deterrent put in place for the endless illegals waiting to replace them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Well done Virgin media staff

    The people were being attacked by violent far right gangs.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,290 ✭✭✭SteM


    I'm surprised they didn't move them onto the old golf corse at Citywest hotel seeing as the hotel is already being used to house Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It would hardly be ethical to target them just because they don't have a roof over their head and they are currently in the news. We don't need that sort of reactive action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭enricoh


    What's Bernie's story- does she own a house with a garden? Surely the average 3 bed semi you could fit a dozen tents in the back garden.

    Has she taken any in yet? She wants them she should get them. With 1000+ on the streets we're beyond the stage of Twitter outrage n baking some homemade bread Bernie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    As was covered in depth here at the time of the interview, he did not say 60% are economic migrants. He said 60% didn't meet the criteria in that year.

    Those are very different things but some people will hear what they want to hear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Where did you get that I have plenty of room?

    Doesn't seem you're too concerned with the truth of a matter in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    In the same way that being first up for communion or doing the stations of the cross after mass was a signal of virtue decades ago

    Expressing endless compassion for " international protection applicants" and other hot button progressive issues is just a new version of guarenteed ways to earn public respectability without expending any personal capital

    These people are insufferable snobs who live to intellectually and morally hoist themselves above the rest of us

    Refugee crisis

    Trans issues

    Climate

    All just vehicles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    That looks like a newly created mess for a photo op...look how clean the wall and toilet are, throw some trash around empty bottles and some with piss in muddy the floor with dirty boots and .........oh the inhumanity



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The "Far Right" boogeyman. Check. 👍️ When a news agency is inserting itself into the narrative, it's not a news agency. They're making news, not reporting it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And why pray tell did they not "meet the criteria"?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    I'd apply the same process to every Asylum Seeker in the country.

    This would dissipate the influx almost overnight. An influx that is expensive, largely fraudulent, dangerous and destabilising to Irish society. Its acceptance is immoral.

    It can't be emphasised enough: these people, in the overwhelming bulk of cases, are not fleeing danger, they are economic migrants. Hence, there should be no moral dilemma over their rejection and deportation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭tom_k


    Some years ago, a young Dublin TD suggested something similar to this. At that time the concern was persons who were "jobless foreigners" and availing of social welfare. Not residents of an embryonic favela.

    He found himself in hot water over this suggestion. Varadkar, I think the guy was called.

    https://m.independent.ie/regionals/herald/tds-pay-jobless-foreigners-to-leave-proposal-slammed/27884369.html



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,323 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    In many ways we've exchanged one faith for another, along with its attendant shouting from the pulpit preachers, holier than thou narcissistic crawthumpers and faithful who cry blasphemy! at anything that contradicts their catechism. A catechism that is similarly and remarkably sensitive to critique and application of logic.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    A lot of us pay good money to have a mountain view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Happy Saint Patrick’s day.


    Remember now you stupid peasants, Saint Patrick came here as an unvetted migrant male.


    Oh Leo Leo Leo…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,934 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    At least the government still have some thought in their heads. Clearing that lot out for paddys day made sense.

    But they should have taken all their phones. Or at least brought them to the back arse of westmeath.

    You'd be back in town in a few hours walking from where they bussed them to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭green123


    Most of them are making false claims.

    Even after all their appeals, only 40% are granted asylum.

    I can actually understand why they are coming. They are here for economic reasons, that's obvious.

    What I don't understand is people like you. Why are you defending people who make false claims?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    And the majority of them live in areas not effected by this policy. It's easy to crow about others been racist or far right from your 5 bedroom house in Goatstown with your kids going to a private school and with your private healthcare etc... They'd soon change their tune if they lived in a working class area expected to take another 300 of these free loaders into their community.



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