Why I'll say no to a united ireland

It was 2 genuine questions.

Do you condemn the murder by the pIRA of Billy Fox and the burning of the house / bible? Do you condemn all paramilitaries?

Or are you like Gerry / Michelle / FrancisBrady?

It was 2 genuine questions.

Do you condemn the murder by the pIRA of Billy Fox and the burning of the house / bible? Do you condemn all paramilitaries?

Or are you like Gerry / Michelle / FrancisBrady?

Less diverting. I have answered questions for you. Now, as asked before,

Do you condemn the murder by the pIRA of Billy Fox and the burning of the house / bible?

Do you condemn all paramilitaries?

A Yes or No to each question will suffice.

You seem to be well able to divert from my simple request to correct your quote about me. I've even directed you to the misquoted post to make it nice and easy for you. Carry on.

So I take it my assumption on your infantile manner for simply scoring points is entirely warranted.

A better question would be:

Do you condemn the actions of all combatants in the conflict/war.

Condemning all the violence from the start covers that.

There's that word "diverting" again; have you correct your post about me yet...or still diverting....

Again, I condemn the violence from the start, all of it, legal and illegal.

You haven't done that.

You're mistaken in the above......still after its been pointed out to your the error of your 'recollection'. The UDR soldier did not save him, but gave chase.

Edit: Also you state "he did not try to kill Adams" how on earth is that relevant? You've dodged this before. In this scenario, the paramilitaries carried out an attack and attempted to flee, yet you seem to be praising a UDR soldier for not turning around and shooting the target of the attack? The mind boggles.

Quote "The assassination attempt was thwarted by an off-duty RUC officer ad two plainclothes military police officers who were in the vicinity."

Apologies, from memory I thought it was off duty UDR. It was off duty RUC officer etc. It was a long time ago.

The question I was asking FrancisBrady was if the security forces were that bad, why did they not kill Adams, or allow him to be killed by loyalists : instead on numerous occasions they captured and jailed loyalists?

Quote: The E4 HMSU (part of the RUC Special Branch) was tasked with protecting Adams. "Jack", a member of the unit, claimed to the Belfast Telegraph "We saved Gerry Adams' life more than once. At least twice, if not three times."

Speaking about another attempt on Adams' life, "Jack" said "The loyalists had a simple plan. It was to be simple and effective. There was a cinema down there (west Belfast) - it's now a hotel - and behind there Adams held court in a wee clinic where people would have been able to bring their problems. He used an armored car - bulletproof except for the roof - and loyalists planned to drive by on a motorbike and plant a limpet mine on the roof. We stopped that. We saved Adams' life."

Bear in mind Republicans killed retired elderly members of the security forces because they had once worked for the state, they shot a shop owner because he would not discriminate on who he served etc. Imagine if the boot was on the other foot and the murder of shop owners or takeaway owners was been justified because they served Republican extremists?

You have yet to answer the 2 simple questions. Do you condemn the murder by the pIRA of Billy Fox and the burning of the house / bible?

Do you condemn all paramilitaries?

Or are you like Gerry / Michelle / FrancisBrady?

So you were off doing the usual scour for info that still doesn't recognise your early assertion about the UDR soldier 'saving' him and not (bizarrely in your opinion) shooting him

Thats your metric for judging if the security forces were good or bad? They did their job for in relation to protecting a prominent politician - therefore all good in your simple eyes.....

Still waiting for you to amend your lies about me in post 6536 or are you unable to do so?

You see here's the problem- Loyalist paramilitaries acted in the same manner. Often these paramilitaries were in, or had linkw to, state security to enable them to carry out said attacks. They were also enabled and assisted by state forces in evading justice at times.

The boot was on the other foot yet you are unable to understand this....because you met some nice army men on your "thousands" of jaunts north.

Alot of this arguing is pointless. I don't think anyone in their right mind could deny that Northern Ireland was an apartheid state. The catholic/nationalist population were severely mistreated and abused, even violently, by the ruling protestant/unionist population. The state was set up like this, state bodies allowed it, and even encouraged it. Can this realistically be denied?

In situations like this, as has occured all over the world, there was violent resistance to injustice. They were bleak times, but the IRA were not created in a vacuum.

If you can't understand why extremely marginalized and terrified people would have felt that violent resistance was a valid option, given how the state operated, you don't understand human beings. I doubt all Palestinians agree with Hamas, but the dire situation they were in made them see violent extremists as a viable option.

Recognizing the situation that lead to the growth of the IRA doesn't mean you condone the actions.

It is completely unbalanced to abhor the IRA and not abhor the conditions that lead to them gaining so much power, which Downcow and Francis McM, you don't seem to do... I don't know why that is.

Francis McM, you said you condemn illegal actions on the troubles. Do you condemn the BA massacres at Ballymurphy and Derry on Bloody Sunday? They weren't illegal actions.

Still haven't the decency to amend your other lies.

Deplorable to have to use a mans death to make your self look better on an anonymous forum. Shameful and depraved.

I have always said that, 50 years back, there was discrimination against catholics in ni and against Protestants in roi. I never have denied that. But that was 1960. We are in 2024 now

They were founded by Willie Fraser who stayed loyalist paramilitaries convicted of sectarian crimes should never have been locked up.

that not enough?