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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • #23462
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121886061#Comment_121886061

    They were supposedly (bit mad not to really) but he has re-signed with Ulster.



  • #23463
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    VanGrann has done some nice recruiting for Bath.



  • #23464
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,980 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Pretty much absented myself from the post defeat discussion. The usual suspects outing themselves as bad faith players just waiting for an excuse to rip into the side/Farrell for not selecting their favourites. Even got a replay of the Jean Kleyn affair for good measure. Can understand why we've lost some good posters.

    Onto actual rugby matters, I've pretty much resigned myself to Ryan being out for at least a month. Assuming we best Leicester in the Champions Cup round of 16, we'll also be without him for the La Rochelle game (assuming they win in South Africa). Ryan is someone whose contribution is now being underrated. There's nobody better at melting a ruck and just being an overall bollock at that area.



  • #23465
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I wonder if they'll push Baird into the 2nd row to partner McCarthy? Might be too callow in terms of running the lineout tho. Wouldn't be thrilled to have Jenkins starting



  • #23466
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121889563#Comment_121889563

    Baird I don't think is the answer to be honest.

    Jenkins has the brute force which we would need but him and McCarthy is going to be difficult and who calls the lineout? I don't think Jenkins calls it? didn't Baird from 6 end up calling it recently when Jenkins was on?

    I would expect it's Moloney and Big Joe. Moloney for the lineout and Big Joe trying to throw his weight around.

    ROG will be licking his lips at this one if they both get to the round



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  • #23467
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121889474#Comment_121889474

    I think some have underrated him but most fans I know certainly haven't. He was massive in the La Rochelle game and really took the rest of the team with him.

    Moloney and Big Joe is the pick I can see happening



  • #23468
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121890039#Comment_121890039

    Nah, I'd say they would back Jenkins to partner McCarthy. Those two have teamed up multiple times already this season.

    I'd say they'll be hesitant to move Baird from 6 with him doing such a good job there.



  • #23469
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121890051#Comment_121890051

    No I wasn't saying to bring Baird back from 6, I would leave him in that position. Moloney is an expert at lineout according to all reports, started the majority of games last season including the final, why wouldn't he start?



  • #23470
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121890057#Comment_121890057

    Why is he leaving? Why is Jenkins preferred to him? What's different this season than last season?

    The obvious answer to these questions is Nienaber's influence this season.



  • #23471
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121890078#Comment_121890078

    Why is Moloney leaving? well he is nearly 30, won't get capped for Ireland

    Has Ryan/McCarthy/Jenkins in front of him next season and will have other young players looking for game time

    He is at that age he can command a big wage and in his own ambitions he is moving to one of the potentially top teams in England and will be a first team starter. As I posted as well he is young enough to go away, perform and maybe push for a return to Ireland and into the international squad. Long shot I know

    His other option was to stay at Leinster, be a one club man and know in reality for the big games moving forward he won't play and he will never get a chance with Ireland.

    This season

    Jenkins 12 appearances.

    Moloney 11 appearance

    Jenkins playing second row and getting a backrow calling the lineout I think was a first for me. Never seen that before. Nienaber has moved him along fairly quickly and didn't pick him for SA

    By the way don't get me wrong I think Jenkins is a decent player for URC level and groups stages of Europe etc. But for a game v La Rochelle I would have Moloney in



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  • #23472
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    He'd have Snyman, not Jenkins ahead of him, if that's one of the reasons he's moving.



  • #23473
    Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    15. Henry McErlean (1)

    14. Aitzol King (1)

    13. Liam Turner (25)

    12. Ben Brownlee (6)

    11. Andrew Osborne (0)

    10. Sam Prendergast (12)

    9. Fintan Gunne (1)

    1. Michael Milne (33)

    2. Gus McCarthy (0)

    3. Michael Ala’alatoa (60)

    4. Brian Deeny (16)

    5. Jason Jenkins (31)

    6. Diarmuid Mangan (0)

    7. Will Connors (45)

    8. Rhys Ruddock (226) CAPTAIN


    Subs From:

    Bobby Sheehan (0)

    Ed Byrne (99)

    Paddy McCarthy (4)

    Thomas Clarkson (35)

    Ross Molony (173)

    Conor O’Tighearnaigh (1)

    Scott Penny (66)

    Max Deegan (107)

    Luke McGrath (203)

    Charlie Tector (7)

    Rob Russell (26)

    Luke Kritzinger (0)

    Jamie Osborne (38)



  • #23474
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Is this team for the friendly?



  • #23475
    Dubinusa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121890103#Comment_121890103

    We wouldn't know what Molony would be paid? I doubt it's much more than what he's currently on. But in fairness, he is doing what he feels is best for him. He's a good pick up for Bath.



  • #23476
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,980 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    This game is being shown on Bath's tiktok for anyone who wants to watch.



  • #23477
    FrannoFan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    I can't separate the La Rochelle power game running over leinster with Maloney a light weight second row starting in the two finals against them prior to our win in December. I know not one players fault but feel he was emblematic of our shortcomings against them.

    Feel if he starts again it will be history repeating itself.

    Joe/Ryan was key when we finally beat them (as well as Baird at 6)



  • #23478
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893125#Comment_121893125

    We didn't lose those games for being run over though. We lost due to poor clearance kicks and by not continuing to go for tries when we had the opportunity.



  • #23479
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I think Stormers will beat La Rochelle pulling up and this will all be moot.



  • #23480
    awec
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893265#Comment_121893265

    Ah the lack of grunt (compared to the opponents) was definitely a factor. Moloney and Jenkins are a big step down on the other players.

    It was either Moloney or Jenkins (can't remember which) who sat on the bench until like the 75th minute in this seasons game against LAR, Leo Cullen learnt his lesson and it's clear they aren't at that level.

    Moloney is a good player for teams at a certain level, but the problem he is going to have at Leinster is he's stuck in the middle. Ahead of him he has players he has no hope of ever overtaking for a spot, and the production line means he has to constantly watch over his shoulder for young players coming through. The likes of McCarthy have arrived and leapfrogged him without hardly breaking a sweat.

    He could do what others at Leinster have done and content themselves with A rugby, some URC games and watching big games on TV to pick up a decent wage while still living close to home but fair play to him for having a go of it instead.



  • #23481
    AbusesToilets
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893445#Comment_121893445

    It was a factor but overblown imo. He didn't struggle against Toulouse, who are no lightweights themselves. Good for him to get a gig overseas, well earned and I think he'll do well



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  • #23482
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121892250#Comment_121892250

    He is moving to England and by reports will be a starting second row so I would think he would have been offered more to move himself to Bath, no idea if he has family etc

    I wish him the best of luck and he is a quality player



  • #23483
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893445#Comment_121893445


    Moloney was more than capable of holding his own right up to European final and he had a good game against a robust La Rochelle side, including doing well against the might of the Toulouse packs.

    That post seems to be an insult to club stalwarts like Moloney/Ruddock etc and other players around the country



  • #23484
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893265#Comment_121893265

    We made multiple mistakes in the 1st semi final. I thought we had the beat in the last final. But, we failed.



  • #23485
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893921#Comment_121893921

    I don't see how it's an insult? It's a fairly accurate post, imo. I'm a fan of RM and think he's a very good player. Moving to Bath is a good decision for him at this moment. I suppose he could have moved to another province, if they were interested. I'm sad to see him go.



  • #23486
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893950#Comment_121893950

    It is, it is demeaning the role of a player who picks to play their entire career at one club.

    If Moloney decided to stay the rest of his career at Leinster I don't see why anyone would look down on him, he has played in Europe right up to the final and performed to the standard in those games.

    The likes of him and Rhys kept the club going for years now during the international windows and trained up the kids.



  • #23487
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893979#Comment_121893979

    Ok! I agree with this but, who's looking down?



  • #23488
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121894005#Comment_121894005

    The awec posted I quoted



  • #23489
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893476#Comment_121893476

    Yeah, it was a factor (particularly after Ryan went off in the second final). However, the overwhelming direct contributor is still the godawful line clearance in both bloody finals. A team that is being physically dominated doesn't overturn 4 mauls in a row (just to hand the ball back with dreadful clearance kicks 😫)



  • #23490
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121894406#Comment_121894406

    He's not looking down on him, he's just appraising his level, pretty much correctly, as below the top tier and below what Leinster want to be relying on in high end knockout matches.



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  • #23491
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121894438#Comment_121894438

    I think the comment was fair. Molony is a very good player. He's better than Jenkins, imo. Always gives a 100% and in my opinion was the best lock on the island a couple of years ago.



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