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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "the US thought they could destabilize Russia,"

    putin recently had to murder the leader of their largest mercenary group for threatening to attack moskow and there has been an even more recent attack on russian federation land by russians. How is that not destabilized?

    Ukraine is the country invaded by putin, not the USA, and they know treaties with putin will not be respected. I suspect supplies of arms from the USA slowing has nothing to do with Ukraine and is likely to be a strategy to force the EU into more arms investment which hopefully will backfire for the USA when their arms industry sees a decline in arms sales due to expanded arms production in Ukraine and in other EU countries. I think Ukraine will be OK with staying neutral once putin's terrorists go home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,391 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It's pretty hard to "Stay neutral" in a conflict when you're being invaded.

    And btw, Ukraine was neutral before the invasion. They were not in any alliance. And NATO had said repeatedly that they would not allow Ukraine to join. Putin had demanded that NATO not allow Ukraine to even attempt to apply to which NATO said they couldn't stop anyone applying but they could refuse them entry. And one final thing, Putin knew all this. NATO will only allow people to join if they have territorial integrity. Since the east of the country and Crimea was in the control of separatists/Russians, Ukraine didn't even pass the basic criteria for joining Nato.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,060 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope. That isnt merely not clear it is false. That is assertion without evidence. We have seen the results of Russian negotiation ... they break any agreement when it suits them as they have done repeatedly with Ukraine, Moldova, Chechnya.

    Ukraine was invaded by Russia, Sacks labelling that a US proxy war is a lie. A deliberate attempt to deceive

    So just utter garbage without evidence from Sacks and he is the one feeding you BS.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭rogber


    Actually, I've often held up my hand when I got things wrong and have no problem admitting when I make mistakes. It happens.

    I admit I have made some excessive swipes at certain posters but that's because for a long time here posting any kind of realistic assessment of what was going on led to being labelled "pro Russian", a secret employee of the Russian embassy etc etc by these posters, which got really frustrating and made any kind of proper discussion impossible. Most of them thankfully are now banned. With people who communicate respectfully with me I will always communicate in kind and admit to mistakes when called out.

    Anyhow, back to the thread topic...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pcardin


    lol. reading Mein Kampf (russkiy version) much?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Is it surprising though?

    Russia might have the patina of looking a bit Western with its white faces and Petersburg palaces, but it has remained a totally separate animal since the start of the 20th century, lagging behind actual Western nations in terms of suffrage and a half dozen other social changes we went through. "Democracy" simply doesn't exist as we know it over there and the mindset doesn't follow; good governance means a strong bully-leader at the top, the rest of us mere serfs.

    This is normal stuff for Medvedev; he constanly comes out with this lunatic stuff so TBH he's just a troll.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    NATO was always only an excuse. After Maiden, when Putin no longer controlled Ukraine, he invaded. first Crimea, then Ukraine. And now after Ardviika, he feels emboldened to state that his plan is (as before) to take all of Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pcardin


    he will loose. There has not been a singled war that rotten failed state have won.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Exodus of Russians from inside Russia to Russia




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,060 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    For "negotiate" with Russia, read "surrender". And if Russia doesn't get what it wants this time, it will just come back again for it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Spot on @odyssey06

    For those who think the only way to finish this war is for Ukraine to sit down and negotiate with Russia and / or be forced to do so:

    In Russia, former PM and President and current Deputy Chairman of the Security Council, Dmitri Medevedev published Russian demands to Ukraine. See translation below:

    They can be summed up as liquidation of Ukrainian statehood and annexation of Ukraine by Russia.

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    https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1768222550067143057



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Tver is about 100kms north of Moscow. WHAT were they using in this building, unusual fire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    What I don't understand is how the surrender advocates think it will play out after the supposed Ukraine's surrender to Russia. Ok, they would probably say, sure, a bit of genocide by the Russians is expected, and nobody outside Europe would mind millions of refugees trying to flee the systematic persecution that Putin's regime will unleash on Ukraine. And if after that Putin takes over Moldova, so what, who care about few thousand of deaths in an impoverished country in the middle of nowhere, right? And after that Baltic states are overrun, that's fine too, yes? Just another European matter far away.

    But don't they see that if the USA is seen as weak and untrustworthy by its allies, the whole world will be affected, the USA included?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    What I don't understand is how the surrender advocates think it will play out after the supposed Ukraine's surrender to Russia

    Let me explain, it's quite simple: they don't care. Ultimately, it's nothing to them who wins. It's just some country on the árse end of a part of Europe they already possessed minimal knowledge of before the war started; they all sound about the same to their ears, and in all likelihood are old enough to remember when anything East of Berlin was just one big red blob marked "USSR". Maybe it is just Russia, really? (see the "russian speakers" fallacy beloved of those justifying the invasion) The quiet-part-loud is - and I admit this is me making a bold & confrontational swing - a flippant disregard whereby Moscow swallowing Ukraine is simply reverting back to previous normalcy. One tinpot for another.

    Then you can mix that in with hostility projected from an anti-migrant bias; as seen with one particular example of that broken record, so if you're already a bit leery about those dirty slavs hanging around our unused hotels, better the war be over tomorrow so we can turf them all out. Least back in the USSR days, Pawel wasn't over here taking our jobs etc. etc.

    Sure, it's very difficult to see how Ukraine "win" this in any conventional sense, the Ukrainian flag hoisted over Crima unlikely to happen any time soon, but there's a huge distance between a fatalistic appreciation of the war - and outright shrugging one's shoulders that Ukraine surrender even more territory. Cos we'll be right back here again when Putin comes looking for the other 80% of the country left sitting in a post-war limbo. You could be damn sure any surrender treaty forced by Moscow would leave Kyiv powerless, without an economy or military, and be a carcass for picking a few years hence.

    Post edited by pixelburp on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Good read ..

    A story on the atmosphere in Crimea 10 years after annexation and two years into the full-scale war: nervousness, terror, denunciations, some quiet resistance and also a a fair bit of indifference.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Prepping for the possible?

    I am braising myself for WHEN Putin wins his sham election this Sunday, patricks day. Why am i braising myself - i reckon he is going to use the occasion to announce something new and big now that he has a new 6 year mandate. Special Operation upgrade to all out war declaration against Ukraine perhaps. And / Or he may have something new happen more expansive happen on the battlefield. I dont think this event on Sunday will go by without a "Surprise"

    However Bloomberg and Reuters say different it seems. All that may happen is a reshuffle

    However, no significant changes in domestic and foreign policy are expected, and there are no signs that any plans for a successor for Putin himself are on the horizon.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,842 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It doesn't matter what Putin wants to brand it as, Russia's been at "all out war" with Ukraine since Feb 24.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,316 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    It's been at war for a lot longer than a month

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,014 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Opposition in Russia. Putin's media warning of a fifth column in Russia. And if children want to protest in Russia then they have to apply to government for a licence to protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,574 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Two helicopters destroyed with casualties. Third, damaged, manged to escape.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,574 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It's spicy in Russia today.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,014 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Oil executive falls from window after oil plant hit by drones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, he will, for sure, despite all the nay-sayers, and prophets of doom. Taking a country and holding it are two different things. Regardless of what's happening in the US at the moment, the EU / UK etc are taking up the slack. And Ukrainians are made of different stuff than what Putin is used to dealing with in the republics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    So it wasn't fake news as some thought?

    No loss is easy to swallow, but from what I've seen Ukraine has scored a lot more substantial hits that Russia over the past 6 weeks, so 2 choppers and a couple of AA batteries has to be seen in context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,308 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    US ambassador really laying it out to Hungary's Viktor Orban over his relationship with Russia and his increasing accusations against the US

    "The US ambassador to Hungary has said Washington will act amid Budapest’s “dangerously unhinged anti-American messaging” and “expanding relationship with Russia”.

    In a landmark speech in Budapest on Thursday, David Pressman took direct aim at the controversial foreign policy of Hungary’s longtime prime minister, Viktor Orbán, while also accusing the Hungarian government of rampant corruption and undermining independent institutions.


    “This speech is about a longtime friend and ally saying and doing things that undermine trust and friendship,” Pressman said, referring to Hungary. “We cannot ignore it when the speaker of Hungary’s national assembly asserts that Putin’s war in Ukraine is actually ‘led by the United States’.

    “We can neither understand nor accept the prime minister identifying the United States as a ‘top adversary’ of our ally Hungary. Or his assertion that the United States government is trying to overthrow the Hungarian government – literally, to ‘defeat’ him.”

    The ambassador added: “While the Orbán government may want to wait out the United States government, the United States will certainly not wait out the Orbán administration. While Hungary waits, we will act.”"


    and


    "“Orbán, who on one hand baselessly claims that the United States government is trying to overthrow his government, publicly calls for the political defeat of the president of the United States and actively participates in US partisan political events,” he said.

    “Hungary advocates for electoral candidates around the world from Poland to Brazil, all while decrying foreign interference here at home,” the ambassador emphasised. “Who leads the United States government – or any government – is a question for the people of that country alone to decide.”

    The ambassador was blunt about how Washington sees Hungary’s links to Moscow. “Now Hungary’s allies are warning Hungary of the dangers of its close and expanding relationship with Russia,” Pressman said.

    If this is Hungary’s policy choice – and it has become increasingly clear that it is, with the foreign minister’s sixth trip to Russia since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and with his next trip to Russia scheduled in two weeks, following his engagement with Russia’s foreign minister earlier this month, and the prime minister’s own meeting with Vladimir Putin in China – we will have to decide how best to protect our security interests, which, as allies, should be our collective security interests.

    Pressman, who insisted the US wants good ties with Hungary and that he will keep reaching out to the government, said Budapest’s behaviour was putting its relationship with the US at risk. “While the Hungarian government’s wild rhetoric in state controlled-media may incite passion, or ignite an electoral base, the choice to issue, on a daily basis, dangerously unhinged anti-American messaging is a policy choice, and it risks changing Hungary’s relationship with America,” he said."




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  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Probably a big diesel generator and a full bowzer gone up. Yard and bottom floors would be packed with very flammable building materials too.



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