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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Similar requirements may come in to play should you choose to go solar route in future. So don't think of these things as solely related to buying an EV over a diesel. It's par of the course to keep the house safe where new electrical requirements are born out of upgrades to your home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭useless


    Fair point re solar but our house with its hipped roof and north facing rear garden is probably never going to be a great candidate.

    Id be totally on board with what you’re saying re keeping the house safe, but I guess im a bit peeved that when I shelled out a heap of money to a builder 10 years ago to include a rewire, the cables from the meter box to the (new!) distribution board weren’t done. It’s less than 3 metres as the crow flies from the meter to the board, but I don’t know if the cables are run through the downstairs ceiling or up through the attic or down underneath the floor.

    Will mull over it a bit more & probably get an electrician to quote for the upgrade- if I can get one! 😀

    Thanks to everyone for your input- sometimes Boards is great!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,690 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    That is a nice price.

    What differences would there be with this charger and a Zappi?

    I am looking at getting one installed this year as I was approved for the 600 grant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Many in the same boat with regards rewires. You probably always have to have a 2nd person that knows their stuff to check it over and make sure your not being had.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Some of the other guys here will know an awful lot more about chargers than me, so hopefully one of them will come along with the answer to that.

    The reason I went for the EO, apart from price, is that it is small and neat. This was actually going on my parents house for us to use when we visit so I wanted a unit that was small, and untethered.

    I have a Wallbox pulsar plus in my own home, which is pretty good but like other owners, I’m frustrated by the WiFi connection continuously dropping. If I was buying for my home again, I probably would pay more and put the Zappi in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    Hi all,

    I'm about to purchase my first EV, a Tesla M3.

    Can anyone recommend a suitable charger and installer (for the County Louth area)? I'm approved for the grant last December but know very little about the chargers other than I see Zappi mentioned a lot.

    I'm a rural property so no access issues.

    Thanks for any replies!



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    A couple of thing you can do yourself would be to check if your earth rod can be accessed outside. If you have gas then you need an earth cable on the gas pipe. If your sink has copper pipes then they need an earth cable too. The last thing is that your mains cable is sufficient to take the extra load. Some installers will do the above for you, if required (at a cost), others will insist you get your own electrician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Some of the chargers don't require an earth rod if I'm not mistaken, the zappi being one of them.





  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Your house does though, that only applies to UK installations where sometimes an extra rod is required for the charge point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Not sure if they cover Louth or not but someone posted an image of a deal from Forkearn Engineering that I can't find for the life of me! But their prices looked like they would be close to €200 cheaper than the standard price I was quoted from EV ready, which was €1549 before grant (I had to pay an additional €100 for "Additional cabling", but I assume that was actually for the additional mini consumer unit they needed to install, cause the cable run seemed fairly short to me!)

    I was generally happy with the EV ready install, they made a small bit of a dogs dinner of install of the isolation switch on a pebble dash wall (I heard the presumably more senior of the two people shouting at some stage "There wont be any wall left if you keep going!"), but its fine.

    The admin side of things was basically all ran through whatsapp which I thought was convenient. Probably should have gotten a few more quotes but EV ready seemed well recommended and it was definitely convenient.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Money landed in my account this morning, I got the confirmation that everything was submitted to SEAI on the 6th of Feb



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,053 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    +1 for Forkearn, great service, on time, very tidy and the 2 people that came to do it were really nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,358 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    6m is usual run. If it's over that then it's extra cabling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    It's probably in and around 6m without measuring it. And they certainly didn't measure it before quoting the extra charge.

    The consumer unit is the opposite corner of a single car garage, through an attic, hard to imagine they have many shorter/simpler runs than that! But I was expecting an extra charge for the mini consumer unit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Buffman


    It all comes down to the agreed definition of a 'full rewire' between both parties I guess. In fairness to the builder/sparks, they probably tested/inspected your tails and as they were already 16mm there would be little/no reason to have changed them in 2013. It would be unusual for the tails to be replaced unless someone needs to upgrade from 10mm to 16/25mm or there is some other issue/damage with them. I presume the ESBN grid side incomer cable is all original and no isolation is installed after the meter or did ESBN upgrade it at some stage?

    Ye, it could probably have been discussed alright, however I'm sure if he'd asked you back in 2013 before Solar/EVs/heat pumps were common, did you want to spend potentially an extra €1k just to change the colour of some 16mm cable, you'd have to think about it. If he had have priced it in the full quote and done it some might say he was charging you for doing unnecessary work.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭useless


    All of that a fair point. We weren’t long in the house, surveyor had recommended a rewire when we bought the house, so we just asked the electrician to quote for rewiring & the installation of a new distribution board (to replace ceramic fuses) and a ton of new sockets in all the rooms.

    then we went to work and let the electrician get on with it, and a week or so later we’d sockets where we wanted them & a nice neat row of what I’d call MCBs to replace the old fuse board. I don’t ever remember being asked anything about meter tails, and electric charging was science fiction at the time.

    On the ESB side, I got a note in the door a few years ago to say they were sending someone around to install a smart meter. I forgot about it & then a month or so later when I got a text from Energia to remind me to read the meter, I went out to the meter board and discovered a shiny new smart meter had been installed. So I assume someone took a look at the time and agreed the mains cable coming to the meter was ok, because my drive wasn’t dug up…



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The "main tails" is in reference to the cable from the meter to your consumer unit

    It's not the cable under your drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 792 ✭✭✭useless


    Yep, I know that. But afaik the story with the smart meter installations was that ESBN or their subs would check and ensure the mains cable to the meter board was ok- which I think is under the drive. Given they didn’t dig it up when the smart meter was installed and send me a big bill for the privilege, I’m assuming the mains cable is ok 😀

    I get that the cable between the meter and the distribution board is my responsibility. It’s been explained to me that it wouldn’t necessarily have been included in a “rewire” 10 years ago, so I’ve to go get it checked by an electrician before I install a charger, since I’m getting conflicting info on whether they’ve got sufficient CSA or not.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Check the mains cable? Nah.

    Pull fuse, swap meter, tidy up meter box, maybe replace wires from dno head to meter. They ain't touching the the Live cable to the DNO head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Personally I'd be inclined to go with the opinion of the installer who actually visited site and inspected the system/tails rather than others who are only viewing photos of it, if they said it's 16mm and OK to install then I'm not sure what the issue is? I'd be very happy finding out I already have 16mm there and will be saving a good few quid on tail upgrades.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    First company I emailed sent me back a questionnaire & looked for photos of inside of the meter cabinet & fuse box.

    Instead of repeating the process 10 times I just cut & pasted it in advance to every other company I emailed for quotes & lead times.

    Just before Covid struck we put in a home office log cabin, the electrician took the feed off the cabinet & fitted 2 external breakers, one for the house & one for the cabin. Sometime last year the ESB installed a smart meter but seems to have issues working around the existing wiring. I knew nothing about this until I sent out the photos of the cabinet.

    3 of the companies came back straight away saying the wiring was completely non-code & I had to rectify it before they'd even quote me. One of them reported the issue to Safe Electric Ireland & we received a warning in the post. My masterplan was to grab the EV Charger installation electrician on the day of the job & pay him a nixer to fix it up.

    Electrician arrived this morning, checked the cabinet & said it was perfect, not tidy tidy but safe & up to code. I scratched my head & let him on, real efficient work, was done in just over an hour.

    Anyway, there I was basking in everything coming up roses when the postman arrives with an invoice from the ESB for remedial work to the cabinet dated 2 days previous. No wonder the electrician looked at me like I had 2 heads.

    So I have an invoice from the ESB for €216 to repair their shoddy work that was only picked up by a 3rd party. This will be a cold dead hands job & I kinda look forward to a wrestle with our utility providers.

    A couple of things though, I was surprised by the profession, OK to warn me & put it in writing to cover their asses but escalating it to an official complaint is a like being reported to the headmaster. I do realise they probably saved me from dying in the electric shower but somehow I still have the hump.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    “A couple of things though, I was surprised by the profession, OK to warn me & put it in writing to cover their asses but escalating it to an official complaint is a like being reported to the headmaster. I do realise they probably saved me from dying in the electric shower but somehow I still have the hump.”

    They are legally required to report it to Safe Electric. It’s the same for RGI. They are legally required to report it in writing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    I'm actually in the middle of a similar thing myself. I'm no electrician so wouldn't have known the codes or if work was up to code. I just had to trust a professional would do it right. But I recently discovered my charger installation isn't up to code. Turns out the tails from the meter to the consumer unit is 10 square when it should have been upgraded to 16 square. And my installation company is no longer operating. The hardest part about getting it fixed so far is finding an electrician who will return calls...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭meercat


    It’s unlikely that esbn are charging to repair their work in fairness (post a picture of meter cabinet)


    as pointed out,the company that reports this has a legal responsibility to do so

    the log cabin is not permitted to be connected to your outside meter box


    id be concerned that the electrician that arrived this morning was not up to speed on the regulations

    was he an rec


    post a picture of the meter box


    if esbn call out then they can disconnect any unauthorised cables from their system. There’s a thread about it

    Post edited by meercat on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,262 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Did you not hit back to the original company ? Did they certify the work ?



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    ^^^This.

    So Safe Electric just sent a warning without following up to see who actually did the dodgy work in the first place?

    It's the cowboy who connected your shed to your meter cabinet who you should have the hump with. Send them the bill for the remedial works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Do these things now need an emergency off button next to the charger?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    What was actually wrong? What did the latest electrician do? Did the problems stem from when the log cabin was wired in or from when the smart meter was installed?



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