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Putin isn't looking like someone going to negotiate

Sounds like he's banking on Ukraine to run out of ammo and then roll in unopposed

Yes. If the people you meet don't know or understand that it's not legally possible to round up people and deport them after giving them asylum, they need to brush up on the laws of the land. As "logical" and "just" as you think it is, it's not on. What do you do with the many who don't wat to go back and fight? If they wanted to fight, they wouldn't have fled.

The attempted links between sending people into a warzone and voting in a bullshit referendum is madness. But you're point is half valid that people understood it, didn't want it and voted that way. The actual equivalent of what you're proposing is that the people understand they'd be sent to a war, don't want it, but are sent anyway! Sounds very Russian

There's so much BS floating about it is easy to get caught out and impossible to properly research every link.

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IF and I am veering ( as in sadly concluding ) toward WHEN trump starts his new tenure in the White House Jan 25 I could see his first trip abroad to be to Moscow and sitting around a table with Putin and Lukashenko to plan out Ukraines downfall and then plan whats next.

You are also correct in saying Trump doesnt need to actually become President once he at least has control of the Congress which HE has now but also try gain control of the Senate also. Right now he is de facto running the US

So tackle the issue then.. play the ball if you're so certain of your position. You know the site rules as well as I..

Go back and read the dozens of nuanced replies to all of your previous attempts to push this mantra. Why should people be forced to repeat themselves ad nauseum when you'll just ignore their points, go away for a bit, and then come back asking the same question? Are their site rules against disingenuous posts?

So much for if the US stop supplying Ukraine the war will stop according to the MAGA lunatics.

Horrific for the Ukranian airforce

We can't actually do it. We cannot, in any way shape or form, return asylum seekers to Ukraine (or anywhere for that matter) after we've agreed to bring them in and support them in their efforts to remains safe and well and away from an active war zone. We can't do it. It's not possible. It's illegal. Do you understand that? If not, read up. if you do, why oh why do you keep asking the same thing?

I don't like the reason because if someone has left a warzone, got asylum in a country to then pack them up and send them off back to it. Ignore the legality of it, but it's cruel too. I think of myself where if I had to up sticks and leave my home because some hoor invaded and was intent on killing me, it would be cruel to then send me back there after agreeing to protect me in my new location.

I hear some people mention this angle too of course. Doesn't mean they are right (they aren't).

How do you determine a "genuine war refugee"? Aren't they all genuine from Ukraine - the country is being invaded!

I don't know how you compare sending refugees back to a war and voting no in a referendum. We are all not stupid, but by jaysus a growing percentage of the population are getting thicker as the years pass, fueled by entitlement, bitterness and spending too much time in echo chambers to confirm their beliefs.

This should be parked here. You're repeated assertion is not happening no matter how much you come out with the same rubbish.

Do we believe anything we see these days?

That doesn't look recent. The sun is too high to have been filmed any time in the last 4 or 5 months.

not a chance of Furze stopping. He's a broken record for the last few months.

this opinion is purely anti-immigrant and has nothing to do with helping the Ukranian war effort.

Updates on the US politics side of things.

As I type this the discharge petition(to push the bill past Speaker Johnson) for the 95 billion foreign aid package has 177 signatures. 218 needed. It'll probably take a while more to get the signatures needed and it'll almost certainly lose something like 5-10 democrats on account of the Israel funding part.

So it'll need something like 10-15 republicans to break rank and vote for it. Which is a tough ask. So we'll see. I'm optimistic that the Democrats knew they'd be able to get the numbers before they put it forward. But who knows.

In some surprising news also https://www.newsweek.com/ken-buck-teases-more-republican-resignations-coming-1878601

Ken Buck a more moderate republican has suddenly stepped down from his position in Congress. And hinted that there's potentially a few more(2-3) to follow him. If that happens then Democrat Hakeem Jeffries immediately becomes the speaker. At which point the Ukraine aid vote is a bygone conclusion.

Cross your fingers.

I've seen on the subreddits i check that the number 3 is the magic number. Possibly because other republicans have announced that they're stepping down come november. But yeah if Ken Buck leaving is effective immediately then the number should be 213-218 with 3 vacancies(maybe the vacancies will be Dem?) which is 5 so honestly I'm unsure exactly how that works exactly.