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March 8th - What’s your vote? **Mod Note In Post #677**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both

    Last night McEntee regurgitated several times the trite soundbite that "there are many different families- I don't want any child to wake up Saturday morning and think we don't recognise their family in the constitution"...wtf?

    I don't know about anyone else, but the only thing that will worry my kid on Saturday morning is whether we have Frosties while he watches The Octonauts. I mean, I guess can ask him if he's worried about his family being recognised in the constitution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67


    Voting NO for both

    Who made up the wording...Then the Ministers cant even answer questions on it...JOKE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Voting YES for both

    They won't be successful. This is nonsense and lies.

    Any supreme court case would have to look at the legislatures intention.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭tarvis


    And now on the 1 o’clock news is all about Saturday morning and waking up - seems there is only a single script Yes and it’s being used by all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    Peader Tobin very clear , concise , eloquent he is wiping the floor with OGorman.

    OGorman doesn't even know what his own referendum is about. We have coalition contradicting each other Left right and centre when a micro phone is put in front of them.

    Yes voters be careful what you vote for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,898 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am voting YES (care amendment)

    I have changed my mind from Yes to No based off the debates. The government haven't a clue what they are doing, as always. This referendum is also letting them off the hook on more important topics like RTE.

    That said, it pains me to vote the same way as Iona. Those freaks creep me out.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both

    How do you know? How do you know what precidents may or may not be set if the "durable relationship" concept becomes constitutional? Micheal McDowell laid out many scenarios in the debate last night whereby there will be legal confusion around what is to constitute a "durable relationship". If passed, this amendment will undoubtedly be used by many to further their own ends- some legitimate, and others completely spurious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,075 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both

    Whether you agree with Peader Tobin or not, at least he has been visible during the campaign. He has made many media appearances, and participated in several debates. O'Gorman, as the chief architect of these referendums should have been everywhere and doing everything he could to present his case to the electorate. Instead, he went to ground and is doing one radio debate an hour before the moratorium. How can this be acceptable from him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    Agreed. I have never voted Aountu and Peader isn't in my constitutuancy, but vert tempted to give them a vote in local elections based off Tobins recent performances in media



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Voting YES for both

    So it’s Yes - Yes from

    FF, FG, Labour, Greens, Sinn Fein, Social Dems.

    Its a No - No from

    Catholic Church, Aontu, Fringe/trouble makers/wind up merchants.

    The new wording may not be perfect but it’s better than what is there at present.


    Personally, I tend to lean towards voting Yes in any referendum. The constitution needs to evolve and modernise. My dead grandparents are not the ones who should be shaping the present. Likewise my viewpoints will be old hat when my unborn grandchildren are running the show. They should feel free to change the constitution to suit their world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    Even if the change has potentillay negative consequences that noone knows ? Also what is a durable relationship because the cabinet don't seem to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Voting YES for both

    If there was a supreme court challenge on what defines a durable relationship they would have to examine the Dail and Seanad debate.

    Cases to recognise polygamy would be thrown out.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭I says


    Voting NO for both

    He can be considered universal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭I says


    Voting NO for both

    He can considered universal. It can be taken as male/female in that context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Voting YES for both

    Potentially negative consequences that no one knows about?

    Id never get out of bed in the morning if I lived my life like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    So u just vote on something that you don't know about , got it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    The govs whole argument now is resorting to emotional blackmail they are all trotting out " think of the children this Sunday if it's a no vote" pretty pathetic tactic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Voting NO for both

    Desperation level still FG alright: they obviously can see it is going to be a No



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both

    "Personally, I tend to lean towards voting Yes in any referendum" - good boy.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Voting NO for both

    Be interesting to see how the result is compared to boards poll



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭scottser


    Abstaining


    Abstain.

    It's a well meaning referendum that was intended to mask over decades of government intransigence and neglect but ended up in a badly-communicated clusterfuck. I still can't see any real positives to the changes as described so I'm pretty ambivalent about it. Besides, my polling station is 20 miles away and I'm not arsed going near the M50 on a Friday.

    Pretty surprised to see the No vote is so strong - I wasn't expecting that tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Voting NO for both

    Think to yourself that you are voting with a very large group of carers who work 24/7 365 days of the year. Family Carers Ireland, who we believed were our representative group, wont even allow debate on the subject on their Facebook page.

    Glad you’ve changed your mind 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Voting YES for both

    I was commenting on “potentially negative consequences that nobody knows about”.

    of course there may be potentially positive consequences that nobody knows about either. It is better to base your vote on known facts rather than ‘what might be’ or conjecture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Voting YES for both

    Thank you - I like change 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭KevMayo88


    Voting NO for both

    There has been nothing to stop the government to put in place proper financial and institutional supports for carers to this very day, and it is insulting for them to insinuate that passing the care referendum will somehow mean a flood of new supports will become available upon passing the amendment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Voting NO for both

    If its low turn out it will be a no as no side seem more adamant, most people will be apathetic and won't vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Voting NO for both

    I think part of the reason the government are so bloody awful in these debates is that they probably didn't anticipate either referendum being this close i.e. why even need defend it?

    People have an unconditional bias towards voting "Yes" without having a clue on what they're voting for (as a poster here just admitted) - "change is good" / "progress" / fixing something that was broken etc. etc., I reckon this bias gives "Yes" a +5% advantage out the gate, so if a No even edges it, this should be considered an absolute hiding to this shambles of a government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,127 ✭✭✭✭Sadb


    Voting YES for both

    What protections do carers get now, that will be removed if this is voted through?



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