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Ireland - now considered one of most vulnerable countries in the EU (defense wise)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,420 ✭✭✭✭ted1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Honestly the chances of that happening are what?

    You can build up all sort of scenarios which will never ever happen. So I don't really care and as I posted so do the majority of the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,062 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    That sums up your argument, 'it'll never happen' and 'i don't really care' a great national policies. Might consider setting up a new National Party with those slogans..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,062 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Randycove


    So by your logic, why have any form of military? Why not just have a much larger coast guard and let them patrol the coast, no need to bother with nasty shooty things, just rely on the famous Irish charm to stop anyone popping over and doing something nasty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I already made my points. Just laughing at the imaginations of people on this thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    no.

    eu and other western countries would be watching the fleet from 1000kms away, we'd know well in advance.

    today an invasion fleet of 50,000 cannot be assembled or moved or its route kept secret. not possible.

    ah but would the eu and eu countries share this information with us? Yes, if for no other reason than we're tied into eu finances, and the eu economy. so if no other reason simply money.

    ah but what could be done? we've got no proper navy, we can't handle that number landing.

    well we could use our position within the eu along with a few billion to buy pmc's and govt specialists and equipment from any number of nations (including Ukraine) and fly them in along with the kind of tech which sunk the moskva. I can imagine Ukraine would be very happy to oblige.

    or the same billions and diplomatic influence could cause sea-mines to suddenly appear en route, or a combination of a warning-shot torpedo along with a phone call to Moscow that the next one wont miss. who fired it? its a submarine so they'll never know. maybe an eu member state.

    Im sure all of these fantasy responses have huge technical plot-holes, but then again so does a giant russian fleet attacking ireland/the eu.

    lastly we all operate under the assumption that ireland doesn't have anything fancy that could put a hole in a ship, because we can't see any mention of such an ability anywhere online.

    but why would the govt advertise that if they could. if you had such tools it would be in your own interest to only have them discovered as they're wailing their way towards a panicked aggressor.

    iirc Norway had something like this in ww2. (way back in the 1940s think about it) Landing Germans knew nothing about any coastal torpedos until it was brown trousers time. Vague memory, ill have to look it back up, but I do belive it was a massacre. So theres a precedent. Tight lips can sink ships too.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Vincent Hissing Bumper


    We’d all better start investing in bunkers 😱 Cu Chi tunnels



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,340 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Weren't Ireland always a vulnerable country since independence? The EU/UK/USA will be the childminders if there is an invasion of Ireland.

    As the Island is of strategic importance and would be a soft entry point to the continent by any belligerent state.

    Ireland simply does not have the resources to defend itself and has to rely on "soft power" within the EU and with the USA/UK so no big boys hassle the country.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    the sinking of the blucher at drobak sound.

    was the one i was thinking of. hundreds of german sailors perished, a massive brand new state of the art cruiser sunk. a 1 sided slaughter.

    all due to last generation weapons operated by an inexperienced small force of norwegians. secrecy was the real killer.

    shows the vulnerability of invading by sea.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Well a 50,000 troop landing here is highly unlikely ever. As to warnings we might not have much if it was a smaller landing force disguised as commercial traffic backed with submarines. They travel along our west coast all the time wouldn't take long to land at Killybegs, Galway, Limerick even Cork. The defences you mention would take time to organise and I doubt we have any secret weapons or a means of delivery at the moment. The main point of defence is to show a capability not to hide it too much in order to discourage any attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    commercial traffic backed with submarines aint going to cut it against our defense forces. Humble as they are. You would still need thousands to take this country.

    Youll have to fantasize harder.

    Uk, Us, and maybe France are the only countries capable of invading us imho. Geography being key.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    No, we are not covered. Our shameful jig is up. Other nations in the EU, as well as the UK and US can bring pressure upon us in all kinds of ways to do our fair share. The way people are talking here you’d think we were dependent on nobody else for our prosperity and security.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    There’s a difference between being unable to stop a possible invasion despite one’s best efforts and not bothering to do anything whatsoever to prepare for such a threat. That second course of action, or inaction, is followed by no other European country. In truth we are feckless, unpatriotic freeloaders who don’t care about the security of our country, island or continent. It’s hardly surprising if we are called out on such delinquent behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Google 'why did Germany invade Norway"

    The main strategic reason for Germany to invade Norway was to seize the port of Narvik and guarantee the delivery of iron ore needed for German steel production. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    we could lure the attacking army into the bogs and then let the midgets get them

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Read the post, I said google

    Not claiming to be anything but it's hardly a historian required to know why they wanted Norway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,975 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    who is actually going to invade us? Or target us with conventional warfare?

    The Isle of Mann?

    We need investment in digital warfare and countering the threat from multiple countries



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,062 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I got a laugh out of that , remembering getting ate by the fcukers . Robbing glar all over to keep them from biting . And did you mean midges or little people 😷😷



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I know them as midges! I thought midget was a verry small person!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Certainly not ruling out the UK as a potential invader. The most likely and they have form. All the more reason to make it too high a price to pay for an invasion or even a big raid to secure a port or deny it to another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,062 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    They are midges . I think your autocorrect put in midgets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    Nobodys arguing that we dont need more defense investment. The point is russian invasion, by 50,000 strong fleet, by sneaky commercial ships backed by submarines, by paragliders, or by pool noodles is not even a half way realistic fear for us. Just stop.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    i read a book a few years back, it was about a terrorist attack on the UK nuclear waste disposal. Can't think of name but it was about flying a plane into it and the fallout covered half of UK and made it inhabitable so at end they took over Ireland for the population of UK to live in

    I remember the Garda in the book kept talking about "old bag of bones" or something like that for some poor guy killed at sea



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