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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Posts: 0 Nevaeh Itchy Thud


    What a disgusting smack in the face to those waiting on housing lists for years. Nearly 3,000 waiting on housing lists up here but yet they can fast track these buildings very quickly. Honestly, people talk about racism and discrimination. Is this not what is at play here but to Irish people. Xenophobia to the people you were brought up with. Patriotic you aint.

    https://m.independent.ie/regionals/sligo/plans-to-build-167-modular-homes-for-686-ukrainian-refugees-in-county-roscommon/a1235492684.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Are Irish people on housing lists not being provided with modular homes already ??

    This from Feb.19th 2024 IT re modular homes in Galway..

    "Tuath, the State’s largest approved housing body, has already delivered 370 cost-rental homes, with an additional 1,500 homes in the pipeline. Tuath Housing manages more than 12,600 homes nationwide, accommodating more than 30,000 people. It currently manages 275 homes in Galway."

    Not to mention modular homes/ apartments for social and affordable housing in Cork , Islandbridge ....

    While I do agree they have been slow in coming they are providing them . And they have to keep up with provision for Ukrainian and other families as well otherwise these people are costing a lot more to house in hotels !

    This is coming from a different fund than Department of Housing .

    And if it is not done they will be looking for the same rental housing that our own are putting even more pressure on a tiny squeezed market .

    But yes, as Claire Kerrane TD said , not to be informed when looking for housing for Roscommon and Ballaghderreen locals for years and then to read of this in the newspapers is a slap in the face for communities and tds alike.

    This government are really a disgrace at this stage I think we can agree .

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    how does not managing our borders work i.e. no borders, how dangerous is that, how effective is that, what does that cost?

    some would argue the very security of the state



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    To be honest I don't think the average dub on the housing list would be up for uprooting to Roscommon and the build quality of these "modular homes" leave a lot to be desired.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    The situation really is out of control.

    Thousands living in hotels, huge lack of housing, the planning process being set aside.

    A total mess. The Government have copped out. Soft talk about benefits of immigration when they know it needs to be reduced dramatically. Not one party talking about effective deterrents for people coming without documentation. Fcking disastrous abdication of responsibility from the political establishment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    To anyone reading this who is concerned about the immigration issue:

    If you vote for FF FG SF Labour Soc Dems Greens any of the left wing smaller parties like PBP - you will see no change to the current madness, it will get worse if anything.

    I beg you to consider alternatives -whether that be independents or smaller parties who are clearly committed to major immigration policy change - things will not change without this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,408 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Lack of new affordable housing has little or nothing to do with immigration. Most new mortgage holders are Irish citizens - the problem is there aren't enough new houses or the cost of taking out a mortgage is too prohibitive. This is a housing supply issue first and foremost........the immigration angle is almost irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Sorry that's not true, though you are right the rental market is much more effected by immigration.

    The government are actively buying up houses both directly and through bodies to house non nationals. This means there is less supply.

    Also any stats on the above claim, would be interesting



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭tom23


    And if you vote PBP, Sinn Fein and especially Soc Dems their immigration policies are far more lenient than the current bunch. which is why none of them is getting my vote. Soc Dems will do the most damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    But sure Holly said at the party conference all the problems facing the country at the moment can be solved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Why do you say this?

    You give no rational explanation here except your opinion.

    At least Soc Dems Labour and SF have promised to do more about the housing and rental market and health which will certainly make things better for a lot of people

    Voting for a one topic independent is a sure fire way to waste your vote.

    Might get to influence government if they row in with them, on a few minor local issues, as has happened in the past with Lowry and the Healy Raes but not major economic or social policy.

    Usually end up languishing on a back bench somewhere or shouting at the govt of the day evety so often.


    Anyone who thinks otherwise is dreaming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Ya mean cheap labour for unviable businesses. Or business fat cats taking advantage of it. That kind.

    If her talking educated foreign labour yes we need them to sustain economy along with our own workforce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭tom23


    She did. Doesn’t matter she won’t get my vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    This mentality is the problem. There's only no point only because you feel there's no point. I mean collectively, not you as an individual.

    How is anything going to change when no politicians represent the people's will

    No.

    Independents are worth a shot.

    All these political parties need a good hardfigurative kick up the backside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Well he did specifically mention immigration in the post.

    Leftist parties in power would be even worse than the useless crowd we have at the moment.

    Only last week O Riordain was giving out the Government used the words "clamping down".

    Holly Cairns spent about minute of a half hour speech talking about it at her party conference.

    McDonald and her merry shinners nearly run a mile when its mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    That is literally one topic, hot at the moment granted, but to most people just one issue in a number of hot issues.

    If there was another scandal about waiting lists / ED waiting times before the next poll, Health would be back up there with Housing always a major issue.

    Opinion polls do change from one to the next depending on what is getting people's attention at the time, but the 3 issues that are top all the time will be top for most people looking for a new government.. Housing, Health and Cost of Living.

    You would be nuts to vote for anybody that doesn't address these along with your "favourite" problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Ok lets look at housing which Holly did talk about.

    She says the SDs would build 50000 a year if they were in power.

    Now in my yournger days I worked in the building trade so I do have some idea whats involved and in an industry where at the moment there is a chronic shortage of young men wanting to work in it thats pie in the sky stuff.

    Oh and then we have Brid Smith saying we can put the lads with no documents arriving every week building houses, this stupidity needs no further explanation.

    I'm no cheerleader for the useless shower we have at the moment but don't you think if it was really possible to build 50000 a year they would be doing it to take some of the heat off with an election coming up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    As said above in reply to galwayguy, of course you must vote for who you think will deal with immigration.. Just don't be disappointed if they get in but then do SFA because one or even a small group of TDS shouting in the wilderness are easily batted aside.

    And none of the main parties will take them on except as voting partners maybe fir isdues they agree on.

    Hence why SocDems are talking about coalitions, with like minded parties. Whether people like Holly, Mary Lou or even Ivana is neither here nor there.. Vioting for a new government should be based on policies not personalities

    Having said that HC has brought a rise in support since she took over leadership and they are taking support from Sinn Fein and FF.

    Much more chance of change with parties to the left of centre this time.

    I would not be surprised and have said so before, if SF as a populist party, doesn't start throwing some breadcrumbs to those people who are thinking of going to vote right independent before the next GE.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Whats Bríd Smith got to do with anything I said? Never mentioned her.

    Hard to engage sensibly with someone who is addng in bits like this.. I never mentioned any hard left politicians and don't intend to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    At least its not delusional and magic thinking... we will vote for somebody who magically" stop immigration. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,083 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Of course Holly and all the other left-wing parties have all the solutions.

    They've all been pretty clear about wanting to embark on a huge state program of house building. All the homeless, all the asylum seekers are to be provided with own door accommodation. The bit they won't talk about though is funding it all. Given how expensive things are in Ireland, the cost if supplying the vast quantities of housing would run into the billions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,198 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Your last point is interesting & something I have wondered.

    SF are naturally pro-immigration, but they are also populist and now that their support is waning, will they put populism before politics and start to voice a tougher stance on immigration, in order to claw back support from the independents.

    I dont think they will, as it would be anti everything they stand for, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,198 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    We need immigrants to support all aspects of the economy.

    From Social Care, Retail, Hospitality to Banking, Tech and Pharma.

    If we didnt need immigrants, we wouldnt have so many job vacancies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I mentioned here I think about the modular housing row for Ukrainians in Roscommon and Ballaghaderreen and the political voice that came out against it ( saying it was because they had not been told about it) was Claire Kirrane TD of Sinn Féin.

    She was saying that locals have been looking for this housing for years and now look!

    Now do you think she will be censored for that? .. Lets see alright.

    I think that may be the beginning.

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Someone in power is going to have to call a halt on this madness. We are walking into an absolute disaster. Enough is enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Do you not find it weird we have 10000s coming into the country and still loads of job vacancies. That should tell ya something for a start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,408 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The bulk of Sinn Fein's support is from working class communities - but these areas are the ones who are showing up in opinion polls as being anti-immigration. This is a bit of a conundrum for them. Labour has had similar problems in the UK and is now being accused by many of being an openly right wing party for its stance on immigration, Gaza etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    It seems like the well off who are sheltered and own business and are the most for immigration because for them, it's a source of cheaper labour. It's all well and good walking down a street with a placard saying "Everyone is welcome" when they won't be in competition for social housing or buying houses in well-to-do areas. They'll take their placards home and have a nice sleep in their own homes in lovely areas, not having to be in competition for work, housing and schools and so on.

    You do have high skilled immigration which should be welcomed like doctors etc, but the government likes to muddy the waters by saying that the ones on rafts coming into Europe are also doctors and engineers, That is not that case. At the end of the day it is the government that is at fault and the cause of these issues and working class areas bear the brunt. All people want is a decent living, even the ones coming here, but there does need to be limits because if not you'll have that social cohesion break down.

    We should not be letting people get multiple appeals when they've been found out to be not genuine, as they're taking up much-needed space for people who actually need it. Sinn Féin's support is mostly working class, and you'll have these small far-right parties trying to eat into their vote. They popped up just in time as SF is/was beginning to grow and their links with British Far-right and other elements would have me wary, I don't trust them or their motives. It'll help keep FFG in power by splitting the votes and taking away from SF and going to smaller far-right parties. The Labour Party has betrayed the working class and now runs on imported culture wars.

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