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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    This isn't an answer to what's above, more of a follow-on really.

    My current understanding is that you can potentially hypertrophy at all rep ranges. We used to think that 15+ was more muscular endurance work than having a hypertrophic effect, but I think there is more evidence these days that you absolutely can do it with sets of 15-20, the issue is that whatever rep range you're using, you've got to have really high mechanical tension, and in practical terms that set needs to be appropriately heavy, and you need to push it to not much in RIR.

    I've heard people say that to an extent it's a question of what you enjoy doing, but in practical terms (and I think a lot of people say the same) they can do a heavy set of 6-10, and judging by the speed and last few reps, it is effective. But to achieve the same thing with a set of 15-20, while the weight is going to be a little lighter, it should still be a very hard set, and again, I think most people, myself included, often tap out mentally on these long sets, if it's something like a heavy leg press or high rep set of squats. Maybe it's partly training history, but I'm much more confident that I am reaching - or am close to - failure on a set of squats in a moderate range, than I am on a set of 15-20 heavy leg presses.

    I also think that there's an endurance requirement in the cardio sense that is not to be underestimated, if you are doing several high rep compound sets. They will have you blowing hard.

    I understand recovery is also a factor. Perhaps partly for the reason mentioned above, a higher rep set at the same RIR as a lower rep set is meant to be more taxing in recovery terms.

    It was a lightbulb moment for me, though, when Joe DeFranco gave me permission to do a variety of rep ranges, particularly based on what feels better for the body part.

    Anyone who's done heavy DB side laterals may - depending on their age and pre-existing shoulder issues - find that they just don't feel good. Whereas if you work in a higher rep range here, with a lower load, you'll experience a 'painful' burn in one way, I just don't think you get that same wear and tear on the tissues.

    So, my take is that what was said above about progression (Whether in weight or reps) being very important is bang on, but also just to say, you needn't necessarily feel bound by rep ranges. You might be progressing in heavy top sets, in low-ish rep ranges, on compound movements, and doing a higher rep back-off, or you might just be saving your higher rep work for body parts where you have aggravated shoulders and elbows, and maybe it feels more forgiving. People always used to advocate for this on certain body parts, and sometimes there would be erroneous science that particularly muscles responded better to higher reps, or whatever, but at the end of the day, all I know is that on side delt, rear delt, bicep, brachialis and various other 40+ joints I have, if I can get a training effect without hanging the same amount of weight on the tissues, then I probably will.

    The next option, then, is to consider the use of stuff like isometric holds, long eccentric tempos and 1.5 reps during sets. That further reduces the load a little again.

    Somewhat more on the fence about these, although I do use them at the moment, because it's what's programmed for me. I do worry slightly that the sets become a bit complicated, and harder to track honestly, particularly over time. Straight sets are still the king here, in terms of knowing exactly where you are, relative to where you were before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Bawnmore


    Man, that's a really clear, well thought out post - thanks. I'm going to read through it properly later on but that all makes a lot of sense.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    Time under tension is also a factor with weight and rep ranges!

    Making sets more difficult by slowing them down is very effective!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    That’s why I like the 6-8 re range. It’s all slow reps. A weight I can do 15 times flies up the first few reps.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    My two young daughters challenged me to do a crab, needless to say I failed miserably!! I don't have the arm/shoulder strength needed to lift my upper body - looking for some advice on what exercises I'd need to do to win this bet



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Depends. Are you in overweight? If so the obvious answer is lose weight.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    are we talking about the position you would do for a crab walk, or kids showing off doing the gymnastic crab which I doubt many adults could do?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭MacDanger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Gymnastics crab; that's not the news I wanted to hear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Tricep chair dips maybe a good place to start?



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    If you want to do a crab, I suggest taking up yoga. It’s as much about flexibility as it is about strength

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Bawnmore


    I'd say a bridge progression would be a good way to go.

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    I only started adding in some training for mobility/flexibility recently and I can definitely hold an ugly position 4 for 10 seconds. Surely adding a few little steps to that is enough to win your bet 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I’d expect most reasonably fit adults could do a crab.

    It’s a function of strength and mobility. I think most people would include both as aspects of fitness.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I expect most reasonably fit adults can do it. But I also suspect most adults aren’t reasonably fit. So it’ll take a bit of work for most. I’m going to give it a go tomorrow morning with the kids and report back

    Post edited by Brian? on

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Not too au fait, but is the difference between crab and what people would call tabletop position the fact that the shoulders are outwardly rotated (hands pointing sideways or towards behind even) verus inwardly rotated / neutral (hands pointing forwards).

    I can see shoulder mobility and strength being a factor, and then the ability to actually raise the hips in front and maintain that - in the untrained population.

    To me a bridge progression, as above, would be a more advanced progression again, requiring a fair bit of back mobility just to get as far as the fourth picture.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    If I get to picture 4 I’ll claim to have completed the crab

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Yeah of course. Same way that most adult men can bench BW, but I’d expect most fit men to be able to.

    The difference is shoulder position. In Table top they are by your sides. In crab (aka back bridge) they are extended overhead. In both fingers point to toes.

    A back bridge/crab requires good shoulder strength and mobility. And good T-spine mobility.

    Picture 4 counts as a crab. 6/7 is where it gets “good”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Bawnmore


    I tried it in the gym this morning and I'm a definite picture 4 - minimum viable crab.

    Separately - how much water do you drink per day? I was looking it up today and more answers than I expected (places like here) were in the 1-3 gallon range - Americans, but that equates to about 3.7 litres up to over 11 litres. Is it just me or is that an insane amount of water?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Hi folks

    In terms of Dioralyte, at a high performance sports level, would it be a good/any benefit to have at half-time in a match? (Generally 10-15 mins break). I'm asking this in comparison to juse water for example.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    4 litres is around the typical target, 6 max. 11L is ridiculous and definitely risky. Water intoxication is a risk around ~10L, but there has been deaths from drink 6-8L.

    People often mistakenly think only plain water counts. It's total water. So a cup of tea counts, as does a glass of milk, juice or even a Coke.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    I just drink when I feel like it. Our bodies are much better at regulating hydration than Lucozade marketing would have us believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭Quiet Achiever


    I heard Sonia O'Sullivan saying the same. She's a medal winning Olympian who trained professionally for years - said she never carried a bottle of water and no one else did. They went to the drinking fountain when thirsty, just listened to their bodies.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I do agree with tenor of the last few posts, in terms of not being overly regimented about hitting a particular intake.

    However, I also will go off and have a couple glasses of water if my urine is on the darker side, what's the harm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    Banana or jaffa cakes would give you more of an energy burst. Just drink water as normal during a match...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭callaway92




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    A treat of mine, lately, is to mix protein powder with greek yoghurt, and chuck in the freezer for 5 minutes. It comes out as a sort of cheesecake consistency. Per4rm whey is my current favourite whey, I feel like in taste terms its head and shoulders above the bulk whey / MyProtein, having used those for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,390 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    A scoop of protein, lots of ice, a splash of milk, and a teaspoon of guar gum.

    Stick it in a bullet blender. Comes out sort of like a soft serve ice cream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    Please someone help me with weight lifting programming. I want to start a hypertrophy training programme, I currently do CrossFit which has weightlifting/powerlifting elements in it but I want to grow muscle.

    I have an idea of a split in mind, with 3 days CrossFit and 3 days of weightlifting in the gym. The thing is I don't know how many sets/reps I should be doing of a given exercise.

    Let's say dumbbell curls, which I've been doing at home. I've been using 10kg weights which feel too light and can crank out a set of 15 reps with them. Then another set of 15 at 10kg and then another set of 8-10 reps with 15kg.

    What in that case is best? sets with less reps and higher weight or the inverse? and is 3 sets even enough currently? should it be 3 sets of the heaviest weight I can do?

    Then also what rest between sets to get the required intensity needed?

    Sorry, a lot of questions I just don't want to start this seriously and end up messing around and getting no real results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Cill94


    If your main goal is to build muscle, then I wouldn't be trying to juggle 3 days of crossfit workouts on top of that. That's likely to have you chasing two rabbits and catching neither. You will have to temporarily lose some of your crossfit fitness in order to make large strides in muscle, it's just the way it goes.

    1 or 2 days a week would be enough to maintain most of your conditioning.

    As to your question about which set and rep approach is best, the answer is really neither. You can and should do both, and really the main thing will be progressing whatever you're doing over time while eating enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Hard one to answer considering you're also doing crossfit and you haven't detailed how much you do in your current 3 days.

    Also consider that if you want to grow, you'd probably need to be in a calorie surplus too.



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