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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I assume he means a political fall of the government.

    Still seems somewhat difficult to believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I was thinking that also, but you would generally say Zelensky's government rather than Kyiv government. I can't see a change in government, not just because they cannot hold elections, but unless the public decide they want to seek a peace agreement and zelensky doesn't. Something drastic like that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rogber


    Zelensky's approval ratings have fallen quite a bit in the last year and the mayor of Kyiv, among others, have been very critical.

    In the opinion of some here that's all lies and Russian propaganda, but it was reported by, among others, the same Kyiv Independent that is very much pro Ukrainian war effort (see polls enthusiastically posted here in last 24 hours).

    Personally I think Zelensky is doing a good job but it's pretty obvious the longer the war goes on the more likely rivals will start appearing and claiming they can provide a better solution. This war can't go on forever and there's a lot less optimism than there was 12 months ago. Rightly or wrongly, the blame game will start if things don't pick up soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Zelensky's "falling popularity" is an easy way to find the putinbots and the idiots who believe the putinbots.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rogber


    Keep an eye on Zaluzhny and Klitschko in 2024. I don't think (though wouldn't completely surprise me) even you could claim either of them are putinbots or have done nothing for the war effort



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rogber


    My answer is not yes. As I've said many times, I think Zelensky has been a good war leader. Still doesn't mean he won't be vulnerable to challenges as time goes on. That's the nature of politics in a democracy.

    To sum up: If you could just learn that "I think this might happen" does not mean "I want this to happen" it would prevent a lot of misunderstandings and rants on your part. You seem incapable of making that distinction, I don't know why.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,555 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    60% is still a reasonably strong approval rating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    And what narrative are you taking from that? (given that both of them are popular leaders), I stand by my statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden


    The 3 day special military operation is suddenly a success? Because after 2 years, 300,000 casualties Russia has taken two small Donbas towns.

    Russia has a now a war economy, that means destroying their infrastructure and weakening them long term.

    Sweden and Finland in NATO, western countries are gearing up their weapons production, and if come November Biden wins, the future is bleak for Putin.

    Imagine your only hope is Trump and a gang of GOP extremists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Miracle = Biden gets the aviator’s on and the shotgun out and personally leads seal team 6 on a direct assault on the Kremlin and take putin out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No one can replace him but it is also the nature of the situation that people will get less fond of him, war fatigue, frustration, people blaming him for this and that. It is a hard road he has in the job.


    His place in history is assured though and in the fullness of time all will acknowledge his greatness in his countries fate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,769 ✭✭✭sxt


    Zelenskys made a very controversial decision to fire the very popular commander of the Ukrainian army Valerii Zaluzhnyi a few weeks ago . He Was very popular with the public and the army personnel. That was a massive decision. Zelensky political fate is thus now tied to the performance of the new military chief

    The publics trust in Zaluzhny was at 92%!

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/most-ukrainians-would-oppose-sacking-popular-army-chief-zaluzhnyi-poll-2023-12-20/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    Apparently it's because a lot of the shells would be purchased from Turkey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I don't know who the contributor was but earlier today on the UK wireless I heard them surmise that Zaluzhny had wanted to step aside for some time but a successor wasn't easy find.

    And if anyone remembers the little videos of Zelensky giving him the red book/medals a couple of weeks back where Zaluzhny gave him big bear hugs, while the new guy looked like his world had ended. Those videos would then make a bit of sense if he had wanted to leave. Someone even mentioned it here how happy he looked after getting fired



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭denismc


    Most Western leaders would give their right arm to have a 60% approval rating.

    According to the quoted article Zelenskys approval was at 37% just before the war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Not suggesting the SMO has had much success, but they did take bigger towns in the south, such as Mariupol, Berdyansk and Melitopol. And Kherson, which they didn't manage to hold for very long after the "annexation referendum" (anyone remember those?).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    france because they want the money, greece and cyprus because turkey would benifit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    400,000 dead Russians

    50% of territory taken in 2022 retaken back

    Global coalition in support of Ukraine

    Pariah terrorist state

    Most sanctioned country in the world

    Economy in tatters

    2 years later and the war to conquer Ukraine has been a disaster for Russia. Ukraine just needs the support to hold on and Russia will collapse. I hope that most Americans will be repulsed by Putin controlled criminal Trump and he will be rejected in this years presidential elections and the republican party will become unelectable for ever lending him support. In the meantime Germany must give the Taurus missile system to Ukraine. Why they refuse to give it I don't know



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I don't think it is different in large respect to anything else I've said on here, though I will observe that I think there are more important issues raised in the article than the ones you picked out.

    Of those three, #1 I agree with, #2 I only partially agree with. All those weapon systems (and maybe other supporting assets like EW which people don't talk about much) that NATO countries have developed but not provided to Ukraine were developed for use in NATO's maneuverist doctrine. The idea that we can expect Ukraine to fight in a Western manner without all the Western capabilities seems flawed. It's like giving a team all the components of an F1 car except the turbocharger and expecting them to win races.

    That Ukraine didn't lose everything isn't evidence of sufficient provision as much as of Ukraine's realization of a problem and not throwing good after bad. Of course, this also assumes that Ukraine would have been capable of effecting NATO doctrine correctly. Breaching a defended line is pretty much the toughest thing NATO forces train for, and it takes a lot of training.

    #3 I think it's a lot more nuanced than folks might at first understand. Note the line about "setting the conditions for maneuver", its not that they are discarding maneuverist theory, and maneuverist theory is still about destroying the enemy. Still, for such a respected organisation, I'm a little surprised that they seem to be understating the amount of attrition that nations like the US expect to affect upon an enemy force before troops engage in direct contact. We call them kill contracts, the completion of which is a conditions check before proceeding to the next stage. The trick is making sure those contracts are executed before the enemy can react. That's not maneuverist, that's simply killing things quickly. If those deep fight assets were split amongst multiple fronts instead of making damned sure realistic and suitable kill contracts were successfully completed in at least one location, that's not a fault of an emphasis on maneuverist doctrine, it's a fault of misunderstanding the application of maneuverist doctrine.

    So to an extent, #3 is correct. It may also be rather missing the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's good news Russia can't up artillery massively. The bad news is short term they'll get a few million shells off north Korea and Iran. But they'll burn through those stocks petty fast. I wish I could just fast forward another year until Russia finally suffers real artillery shortages and the stock piles of tanks/BMP's start running low.

    Even next year when they'll require more extensive refurbishments that means less on the battlefield and more money spent. Another 2 year's from now things will be ugly with a shortage of everything for Russia, messed up economy and please god a democratic US government giving full support.

    And full support isn't a handful of Bradley's and Abrams btw. It's honestly insulting how little they've received.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭denismc


    Interesting article about the rotation of Ukraines troops, while much of the army has been on the front line for the last 2 years with little rotation, turns out there are 10s of thousands of soldiers who have yet to see the front line!.

    Looks like this is about to change with the new guy.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28532



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭combat14


    The West should seize more Russian assets and send interest to Ukraine, says UK PM

    British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak urged the West on Sunday to be “bolder” in seizing Russian assets and to send interest already accrued on frozen funds to Ukraine.

    On the second anniversary of Moscow’s invasion, the UK leader said Western allies must go “further” with their sanctions to “shake” Russian President Vladimir Putin’s belief “that he can simply wait us out”.

    Sunak wrote in an article in the Sunday Times:

    We must be bolder in seizing the hundreds of billions of frozen Russian assets.

    That starts with taking the billions in interest these assets are collecting and sending it to Ukraine instead.

    And then, with the G7, we must find lawful ways to seize the assets themselves and get those funds to Ukraine too.

    The prime minister’s comments follow G7 leaders pledging Saturday to explore “all possible avenues by which immobilised Russian sovereign assets could be made use of to support Ukraine”.

    The grouping of advanced economies confirmed Russia’s already seized sovereign assets will remain frozen “until Russia pays for the damage it caused to Ukraine”.

    Ukraine needs almost half a trillion dollars to cover the reconstruction costs of Russia’s invasion, the World Bank, European Union, United Nations and the Ukrainian government said in a joint report earlier this month.

    Ukraine’s Prime Minister Denys Shmygal has said that the confiscated Russian assets should foot most of the bill. Kyiv wants the West to unlock around $300 billion of frozen Russian assets to fund the rebuild of its cities, roads, bridges and energy facilities destroyed or damaged by Russia’s two-year assault. (The Guardian UK)



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