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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Whatever about France, the Greeks and Cypriots will soon have their arms twisted. Hardly in a position to dictate what the will of the rest of EU. The French just want their factories getting the benefit, let them prove what they can deliver in a required time frame and after that buy the surplus needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    People talk about Russian losses, and it's obviously great for Ukraine whenever Russian gear gets scrapped, but the more pertinent calculation is what Russia are losing vs what they're producing for the war, and then also what level of production they can sustain. How many planes, tanks, boats etc are rolling off their producation line per month? Is there an estimate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Cyprus and Greece probably think supporting non-EU arms producers means supporting Turkey, hence a no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭rogber


    Two years into a stupid and pointless criminal war, it's good to see a few Western leaders in Kyiv today stating again their support.

    Let's hope for a miracle in the next 12 months, because it's going to take one to end this war in any positive way before a 3rd anniversary rolls around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    The "loophole" the article mentioned had a $500m limit. While Biden might be able to price some things like older cluster shells or perhaps missiles the military is phasing out or upgrading as low value, it is imo not a substitute for an aid package to Ukraine of $60bn or so.

    (In normal/democratic political circumstances, outside of war/emergency) I don't think it is intended to let the President just classify vast amounts of US weaponry (that still work, even if older) as low value and have it shipped over to another country, or to "sell" vast amounts of it to others, with no further oversights from rest of the govt.

    I do agree with you that there hasn't been enough will from Biden and the US, or from European countries and too much caution.

    Point I was making is level of will over on other side of US politics is much lower, or negative (in that they are the ones holding up aid, necessitating talking about use of Presidential orders etc. to get around their blockage).

    Seems they will do nothing to help Ukraine if it costs them/their party anything politically, like going against Trump in the election year/giving Biden some kind of political win as they see it.

    Some of them would even prefer to see Putin/Russia make progress in Ukraine, for whatever reasons.

    Reading your posts a long while and as far as I could see you are not any kind of socialist or lefty be it of the older mould or a modern "woke" type - sorry!🤣 edit: I see even in above post you are doing your thing of insisting on calling the Russian military the "Red Army" (!). I didn't think you'd disagree with me on saying you are well over on the right side as regards your politics.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Sky news very gloomy and pessimistic today about Ukraine. “Likely to lose rest of Donbas”

    Dr Huseyn Aliyev, an expert in security and conflict in Ukraine, said Kyiv will suffer "more serious territorial losses" over the next 12 months.  

    Reflecting on the recent fall of Avdiivka, he explained a lack of tactical reserves and ammunition - problems the Ukrainians faced during the "botched" defence of Bakhmut in 2023 - were continuing to cause issues. 

    "As things stand, Ukraine is highly dependent on foreign supplies of ammunition and weapons as two years into the conflict domestic mass production of ammunition is still lagging behind, even when it comes to basic munitions, such as landmines or mortar rounds," he said. 

    In comparison, Russia has become fast and efficient at "institutional adaptation and learning", Dr Aliyev added. 

    "All procrastinations on Ukraine's part are likely to lead to more serious territorial losses," he said, warning a lack of domestically made artillery shells and drones could have dire consequences. 

    "Unless Ukraine engages in construction of defence fortified positions and ramps up domestic production of ammunition, as well as improves mobilization and recruitment, it is likely to lose the rest of Donbas region this year as well as some territories in the south," he said. 

    And Dominic waghorn writes Defeat of Kyiv government could look feasible by the end of the year. 10.30am story from list below.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    So after nearly 2 years of near zero movement of the Frontline for Russia (we'll ignore Kharkiv and Kherson), Russia will reach Kyiv? Based on Russia taking the 140th largest city after 4 months.... It's now on the march to Kyiv? Seems overly optimistic for the Russians. Kyiv in 3 years, is that the new slogan?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Yeah seems a little ridiculous. That’s Dominic waghorn thoughts, not sure if he commonly says stuff like that or not.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I assume he means a political fall of the government.

    Still seems somewhat difficult to believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I was thinking that also, but you would generally say Zelensky's government rather than Kyiv government. I can't see a change in government, not just because they cannot hold elections, but unless the public decide they want to seek a peace agreement and zelensky doesn't. Something drastic like that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭rogber


    Zelensky's approval ratings have fallen quite a bit in the last year and the mayor of Kyiv, among others, have been very critical.

    In the opinion of some here that's all lies and Russian propaganda, but it was reported by, among others, the same Kyiv Independent that is very much pro Ukrainian war effort (see polls enthusiastically posted here in last 24 hours).

    Personally I think Zelensky is doing a good job but it's pretty obvious the longer the war goes on the more likely rivals will start appearing and claiming they can provide a better solution. This war can't go on forever and there's a lot less optimism than there was 12 months ago. Rightly or wrongly, the blame game will start if things don't pick up soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Zelensky's "falling popularity" is an easy way to find the putinbots and the idiots who believe the putinbots.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭rogber


    Keep an eye on Zaluzhny and Klitschko in 2024. I don't think (though wouldn't completely surprise me) even you could claim either of them are putinbots or have done nothing for the war effort



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭rogber


    My answer is not yes. As I've said many times, I think Zelensky has been a good war leader. Still doesn't mean he won't be vulnerable to challenges as time goes on. That's the nature of politics in a democracy.

    To sum up: If you could just learn that "I think this might happen" does not mean "I want this to happen" it would prevent a lot of misunderstandings and rants on your part. You seem incapable of making that distinction, I don't know why.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    60% is still a reasonably strong approval rating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    And what narrative are you taking from that? (given that both of them are popular leaders), I stand by my statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden


    The 3 day special military operation is suddenly a success? Because after 2 years, 300,000 casualties Russia has taken two small Donbas towns.

    Russia has a now a war economy, that means destroying their infrastructure and weakening them long term.

    Sweden and Finland in NATO, western countries are gearing up their weapons production, and if come November Biden wins, the future is bleak for Putin.

    Imagine your only hope is Trump and a gang of GOP extremists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Miracle = Biden gets the aviator’s on and the shotgun out and personally leads seal team 6 on a direct assault on the Kremlin and take putin out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No one can replace him but it is also the nature of the situation that people will get less fond of him, war fatigue, frustration, people blaming him for this and that. It is a hard road he has in the job.


    His place in history is assured though and in the fullness of time all will acknowledge his greatness in his countries fate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭sxt


    Zelenskys made a very controversial decision to fire the very popular commander of the Ukrainian army Valerii Zaluzhnyi a few weeks ago . He Was very popular with the public and the army personnel. That was a massive decision. Zelensky political fate is thus now tied to the performance of the new military chief

    The publics trust in Zaluzhny was at 92%!

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/most-ukrainians-would-oppose-sacking-popular-army-chief-zaluzhnyi-poll-2023-12-20/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    Apparently it's because a lot of the shells would be purchased from Turkey



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,306 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I don't know who the contributor was but earlier today on the UK wireless I heard them surmise that Zaluzhny had wanted to step aside for some time but a successor wasn't easy find.

    And if anyone remembers the little videos of Zelensky giving him the red book/medals a couple of weeks back where Zaluzhny gave him big bear hugs, while the new guy looked like his world had ended. Those videos would then make a bit of sense if he had wanted to leave. Someone even mentioned it here how happy he looked after getting fired



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