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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Definitely agree when I checked at the comments. More just he goes in depth where the heavy points of contacts are and where Russia are trying to attack and does a birds eye view on map where it is and what the terrain etc is like so I do find it interesting to see that as just gives a bit clearer picture then just YouTube videos of body cam fighting footage. Does mention Ukrainian success tho but definitely leaning more towards other side for sure and yeah the comments are definitely more pro Russian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Lot of bleak reporting from the frontline.

    Russia has the wind in their sails and are pushing, Ukrainian soldiers saying they can see the Russians approaching but have no shells to fire and hold them back so they are in retreat mode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Biden hasn't done it the last 2 years when their use would have been multiples more effective. Why would he change now?


    I hope they will but know that they won't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Sounds like the Finns on the Mannerheim line. Plenty of targets but lack of shells.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Pity Biden didn't win last time and he was the President instead.


    Pity that European States can't be bothered to pay to defend themselves or be in a position to provide Ukraine what it needs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,498 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    They were already sending the US cluster shells (so Biden did decide to 'do it', and I assume they were effective at blowing up Russians in Ukraine and their equipment).

    Issue is they can't authorise more (without some kind of creative use of loopholes by Biden, as per article) because the US political system is broken.

    One of their 2 parties has rotted (maybe beyond saving) + now has too many autocratic (and vaguely pro Putin/pro Russia) elected politicians in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Russian forces are poorly led but learning and copping on, often poorly resourced.


    Ukraine are starved for support it needs by Western allies who talk a great game but do not want the reality of the situation, to affect them.


    Europe should have acted as if it is in a war time period, cause it is.


    There is a ring of lunatics and instability around Europe, not just Russia,Hamas. Iran, Turkey? Yemen and on and on.


    The response from Europe to kyiv is we'll give you a months worth of shells in 2 years time.


    Prediction or stating the obvious.

    Russia will likely hold what it has indefinitely, maybe even take more and the world will be a much more unstable and violent place in the next 20 years than in decades and that is down to miscalculation by the West.


    Europe currently doesn't have the will to defend itself or its interests and the US is now more focused on Asia and will be for the rest of this century.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,303 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Interesting

    "In an ironic twist, Russia’s wartime box office is being dominated by a blockbuster adaptation of Mikhail Bulgakov’s Master and Margarita, a film that denounces censorship and was filmed by an American director who is “vocally anti-war”.

    One leading film critic, Anton Dolin, told the Guardian it was the “best commercial film ever shot in [Vladimir] Putin’s Russia”. A movie’s runaway success can work against it in Russia now: the film has had to run the gauntlet of pro-Kremlin propagandists and censors, and in true Hollywood fashion it has triumphed against the odds.


    Michael Lockshin, the director, said it was “a miracle” the film came out, on a call from Los Angeles where he lives. “It was a very hard journey getting there since the war started,” he said."

    "For weeks after its release, Lockshin had mostly avoided the press. The reason was simple: an army of online trolls and pro-Kremlin pundits wanted him arrested and did not like his anti-war views, or the film’s excoriation of totalitarianism, or that some of its estimated $17m (£13m) budget – one of Russia’s largest film budgets ever – came from the state-backed Russian Cinema Fund.

    “We know that when someone makes a film now, he is writing or making a film about now,” said Dolin. “And here it’s quite obvious. Because this is a moment in Russia where censorship is rife, and the film is dedicated against censorship and doesn’t obey that censorship is inspiring to audiences.”

    Pro-Kremlin Telegram channels have demanded Lockshin be investigated for discrediting the Russian army and called him a terrorist. He has been attacked by Margarita Simonyan, the head of the state-controlled broadcaster RT, and Vladimir Solovyov, one of the most popular pro-Kremlin talkshow hosts. Russian tabloids have published details of where he lives (luckily often wrong) and he has received death threats."





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The President can send them if he wants. Congress can object or complain about other domestic issues but the President has the executive power to override that in situations like this.


    At anytime in the last 2 years he could have sent so much that Ukraine would have years In reserves.

    Excess Defense act is already in place allowing the President to sell cheaply or give for free excess arms or arms about to be past date. He can't give new or near new but what he can give with just a signature is so large.


    Congress legally can't say a thing, if the White House and Joe wanted to. Even if Congress was completely opposed to it. On this, he just has to sign the order, this has been the way it has been done for countless years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    All of them out and out beneficiaries of Putins $1.5 billion investment in propaganda worldwide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,660 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I am hardly an expert on US political system, but I don't think the US President normally has the power to authorise dispatching of whatever ("old") weaponry to whatever country he chooses by personal order, without rest of the system (Congress) getting a say. I don't think it is "the way it is always done".

    The US is not a dictatorship (yet!). The President is not a king.

    Ukraine is not a formal "ally" of very long standing either. It doesn't have kind of relationship with the US that NATO countries or likes of Israel have, it has not been a constant recipient/purchaser and user of US weapons since basically the end of WW2 (or during WW2, in some cases).

    I know you are quite extremely (!) right wing (and maybe just don't want to accept what has happened to the Conservative side of politics in the US), but you can't pin this on Biden or the Dems.

    Can argue they have been too cautious and too slow, yes, and should have done far more sooner, and certainly should have realised that US politics might intervene in their plans, but the problem with new aid being frustrated is coming from the other side of the divide over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    While it would be somewhat comforting to assume that only bots or people who are bought off can express these opinions I think the truth is more troubling. Quite a lot of people in the west have been radicalized by online disinformation, especially during the Pandemic. A certain percentage of these people in turn have bought into the Russian propaganda on this invasion, hook, line & sinker. They see the Russians as some kind of saviours and the Ukrainians as corrupt puppets of the morally degraded West.

    I know of at least two of people like this in real life. They believe every conspiracy theory going. Both of them are otherwise intelligent people. I don't talk to them about politics anymore. I could definitely see them writing comments like those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Are these people products of Communist societies in Universities in Ireland?

    Eastern Europeans are horrified when entering our Universities to find such societies openly recruiting. To them these are Nazi societies operating and radicalising freely.

    Many of the radicalised then equate Putin - Russia with communism of the past and then blindly support Putin.

    Edit: there's one I follow on social media who was a product of our Irish university system who posts pro Putin, everything is a Western conspiracy, anti Covid vaccination - that everyone is dying, etc. I think the further physically you get from Russia, when you've no experience only what you learned of communist ideology amongst friends in your formative years tends to imprint on how the idea of Russia must be defended. Then everything else besides Russia is a conspiracy or cover up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Galway56736


    Sounds like calling them "intelligent people" is questionable!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Well no. In fact one of them isn't even in Ireland. He lives in another western European country but I work with him remotely. During Covid he was anti-lockdown, anti-mask and antivaccine. He declared at one point that "Nobody actually died from Covid - they just died with it". On the day Russia invaded he declared that it was all NATO's fault and that Ukraine "had it coming". He would refer to Zelensky as "the comedian" and would, unprompted, discuss how the Ruble was going from strength to strength. He's extremely intelligent (a rational analytical type) but also quite arrogant so all of his opinions are the only correct ones in his mind - so there's no point in engaging in any kind of discourse on these topics with him. If you point out the flaws in any of his arguments he simply deflects and engages in whataboutery. He also gets very emotional (mostly angry) when talking about these things.

    It's just easier to ask him about the weather at this point. I NEVER bring up current affairs with him anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    It’s incredible that Christian fundamentalism in America and communist fanciers in Academia are now all singing from the same hymn sheet .

    Even our chief champagne socialist in residence Micky D gave a very limp wristed statement on Navalny’s death. Like something written with chat GPT. ( which it probably was)

    The world is gone to hell.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Footage of M1A1 Abrams finally in action in Ukraine. Meant to be near Avdiivka.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    A glimmer of hope here that may stem the tide until congress gets its **** together.

    President Pavel came to the Munich Security Conference with a plan, where he declared that the Czech Republic had managed to find up to 800,000 pieces of artillery ammunition around the world, which could reach Ukraine in a matter of weeks.


    "We identified half a million pieces of 155-millimeter ammunition and three hundred thousand pieces of 122-millimeter ammunition," Pavel said.


    At the beginning of February, the newspaper Politico reported that the Czech Republic was interested in ammunition from arms companies in, for example, South Korea, Turkey or the Republic of South Africa. However, Pavel did not specify specific countries in Germany.

    and

    Minister of defense of Czech republic announced that the plan of president Petr Pavel to buy ammunition for Ukraine will be financed by Canada, Denmark and others who wish not to be mentioned.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The EU also needs to get it's finger out and allow EU funds to be used to purchase shells from outside the EU.

    It will cost well over 4 billion to purchase them at 'market' price. Canada pledged $30mil, enough for 4,300 shells. That's the figures involved, it's staggering. The EU should just purchase them outright. Say it's for backfilling stocks but countries are free to donate or loan to Ukraine. Be a little EU lend lease etc...

    There needs to be more creative approaches for getting arms in Ukraine hands ASAP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Some of that anger may be at themselves but I think there is another theory worth considering.

    In her recent excellent book, Doppelganger, Naomi Klein delves deep into the world of disinformation (inspired by Naomi Wolfe, who she is often confused with, embracing those kinds of beliefs.) Klein observes that the modern western world has been hollowed over the past 40 years so that large corporations and the ultra rich have benefited at the expense of the general population. People are more educated than ever but are struggling to buy houses, pay for healthcare and childcare. They're spending more time alone and online where they are often bombarded by idyllic images of the lives of the rich and famous. At the same time the Climate Breakdown is accelerating and political instability seems to be growing around the world.

    In short. Things are not going well. This is the root of a lot of people's anger. They know this to be true. They should be angry. They should be angry with system that encourages the concept of "unlimited growth" which is often built on the backs of some of the poorest people in the world and whose fruits disproportionately go to those at the very top. Unfortunately that system that often hijacks politics and media in order to deflect attention elsewhere. So instead peoples anger is instead focused on all sorts of other things.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    "the EU" has no stocks to backfill in the first place. It's an incredibly complicated issue, and I think EU leadership could be doing more, but they have no competency on military affairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Nothing but grim news about Ukraine… the republicans really sunk them…..how can they sleep at night



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Given how routinely the American Right fúcks over their own people, I daresay Ukraine caused them no such trouble at bedtime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    When I say backfill, I really mean, use EU funding to purchase those 500k rounds to replace EU countries stocks. If individual countries think they don't need them, they would still be free to transfer them to Ukraine.

    Key point being, just get them into the EU in the first place. Use the fact that EU stocks are depleted as the excuse to release funding. Then again some countries will just veto it as they don't want money leaving the EU.



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