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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭wassie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Are buyers looking for houses with chargers now?

    Four north Dublin houses with EV charging points



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭wassie


    ....Or an editor of the property section trying to come up with this week's copy of the same old thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    They are definitely been asked about alright. One specific question last week from a buyer I seen was if the charger was staying in place.

    Justified or not, considering the relative small cost of installation compared to the house price but they are being mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭Firblog


    I suppose if you bought a house and the charger wasn't there when you got the key you'd be a bit p*ssed off, looking at a grand+ to install a new one - no grant as house prob already got it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It's probably more of an issue for older houses where the wiring might have needed upgrading. Having the work done for you might bring some peace of mind

    Just hope the seller doesn't decide to keep it, I've heard some strange stories about house sellers ripping up garden decks, taking dimmer switches out and even ripping the alarm system out to bring with them before the house was even sold

    They probably wiped €10k off the selling price because the house was wrecked just to save half that in the new house

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Annoyed but not a grand. You’d have a second hand one installed in 10 mins for €200.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yes and no, I think they made a decent point in the article that it would lower costs for builders who will soon probably have to supply both

    Probably the main issue would be the fact that most houses with heat pumps typically put them in the garden, not the driveway

    Not really any reason why they can't be at the front AFAIK

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    In theory, good idea. In practise who wants a lump of a unit like that at the front of your house to be near where the car will be parked.



  • Forum Games Player Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭Barbara WW


    any word on the new Santa Fe? and if we will see it here this year? in the market for a 7 seater and EV9 way out of price range



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭wassie


    US is scheduled to start receiving deliveries Q2 this year. No word on the RHD market yet for the UK, but given the old model is no longer available to order (excepting any existing stock dealers may have), its reasonable to assume we will see pre-orders open up in the couple of months with deliveries probably taking place in the second half of the year - best guess from what Im reading on the interwebs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,028 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    New model launches tend to be when the new 74 plate starts in the UK which is September.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The best part that a heat pump will dump out cold air when heating the house and hot air when cooling the house, and the exhaust will probably be pointed directly into your car

    So your car gets precooled in winter and preheated in summer 🤦🏻‍♂️

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭cannco253


    Connected Vehicle Technology to Safeguard Road Users

    How will the pilot programme operate?

    TII manages the safe and efficient operation of the motorway network, 24-hours-a-day, 7-days-a-week, using existing roadside technologies, such as road sensors, emergency roadside telephones and CCTV cameras. At present, variable message signs are the primary means for communicating incident alerts to drivers. Through this pilot, however, TII will be able to use C-ITS technologies to send safety alerts – in real time – directly to drivers in their vehicles.

    The safety alerts will be sent to drivers through smartphone apps connected to the mobile phone network or through tablets connected to local C-ITS roadside units installed on the M50 and M1 motorways. These devices will display messages relating to collisions, congestion, stationary vehicles, road works, and hazardous weather. They will also identify electric vehicle (EV) charging points in the vicinity of the driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    I'm in this program. I figured I drive the length of M50 at least twice a day, it could be useful to someone. I had to install an app and it looks like a navigator without a route. The info which is visible on the overhead displays appear on the top of the phone screen as well. There are some other info they push, one of them being the proximity to EV chargers. However, they announce even the AC chargers which are kinda useless for a motorway drive. Petrol stations are not shown. I think the idea is that in the future it should be integrated in the car so message like "Drive with care" will pop up every time it rains in Ireland.



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    That is my worry alright, i.e. yellow warnings every day: "Warning M50 has congestion between Exits 1 and 20".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    In fairness is not everyday the traffic is bad. There are days when J13-J4 is 25 mins, days when is 1h+. Yesterday was relatively bad. I think there was a breakdown and rain. Repeating "Drive with care" every 200 m makes the messages redundant and people stop paying attention to them.

    Today they announced left lane blocked at J10 NB (a first for M50 usually they wouldn't say which lane is blocked), and some people were avoiding the lane, while others finding the lane emptier, were rushing to overtake the whole pack only to find themselves facing the emergency vehicles and the blocked lane. This is only slowing down everyone. Maybe if they had that message in the car they wouldn't have rushed so much to the left, although it was an illegal maneuver (disputable by some) to start with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I signed up too but I probably won't install the app. I was hoping they'd use something like Car2X that's loaded onto all new VWs which would be much better than another distraction on my phone

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Interesting to see that in the UK this week the car registration data shows the split in EV sales (and ICE too obviously) between private sales and company/fleet/lease/tax deductible cars - and only 35% of all EV sales are fully private sales.

    ”Demand for electric company cars grew by 42% in January 2024, compared with a 25% slump in private demand for EVs.”

    https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/ev-sales-figures-uk/

    I wonder what % of Irish EV sales were fully private? Most people I know use it as a company car for lower BIK or whatever it is, or it’s tax deductible, or it’s a taxi. When I actually think about it, not that many friends with EVs are fully private buyers



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    If I was in the UK I would be leasing my car through my employer instead of making a private purchase. I think you'd be a nutter to ignore the tax benefits of salary sacrifice. It's not a company car so doesn't attract BIK, but the vehicle is still owned by a leasing company.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭mr chips


    That's what we're planning/hoping to do at some stage this year, should the other half's public sector employer ever get their finger out. It's been on the cards ever since she first raised it - which is about 18 months ago at this stage, but the timeline for introducing it kept being put back ("it'll be January/April/July/September/April"). The new timeline is always soon enough for us to hold back from committing to any other, less desirable used option, as the loan repayments for something like e.g. a 7 year old Ioniq (which would force us to retain a diesel car for the longer trips we take regularly) would be comparable to the monthly leasing cost on a brand new EV which could serve as the sole car in the household. It's probably because we're in NI and this was very likely one of those decisions that civil servants felt unable to take without a minister in charge, even though it's cost-neutral to the employer. Hopefully there might finally be some movement on that now, but if not then we're looking at a back-up plan - a leasing company which has started offering used EVs (3-y.o. ex-company cars etc) under the same salary-sacrifice scheme. Some of the options they have could meet our requirements for having just the one car. There were a couple of Model 3 LR on their site recently which were well under £400 per month for a three year old car with less than 15k miles on the clock. Those were snapped up in less than a day, as was an I-Pace for similar money (but triple the miles), but I think more like those will start to appear as the year progresses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    They already have variable speed limit on 1/2 the m50 and are already rolling it out to full m50. I believe breaking the speed (white number in square white box) has been made an offence.

    I have already seen speed limits dropped for "red weather warning high winds" when at the time the winds/cross winds were not strong. I see the limits regularly broken by 100% of traffic and it would be dangerous to drive at posted limit when all 3 lanes are going faster.

    If they started to enforce average speed limits with variable limits at least everyone would be forced to slow. I travel the Dublin port tunnel regularly and no one speeds.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Whilst it's a white number in a box it's not an offence to disobey the limit. The enforceable variable speed limit will appear with the standard red circle as it does in the port tunnel.

    I find people always stick to the 80km/h limit in the port tunnel, but compliance when the variable 50km/h limit kicks in is very low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭mailforkev


    Everyone I know with an EV, several people, including me and another pal who have each got two of them, is a private buyer.

    But if I was based in my UK office I would 100% be going through their salary sacrifice scheme, saving a load of cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm guessing the average speed cameras don't adjust for the variable speed limit in the tunnel

    People seem to generally obey the variable limits on the M50 in my experience.

    They often don't get a huge amount of choice since the limit is usually there due to a traffic jam ahead, so cars are starting to slow down anyway

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭mr chips


    Just to follow up on my post above re used EVs for lease under the UK's salary sacrifice scheme - I had another look on the leasing company's website just now, and there's an I-Pace registered in September 2023 with 250 miles on the clock (yes, two hundred and fifty miles and less than six months old) for lease at stg£483 per month over 24 months with a mileage limit of 10000 miles p.a. That's insanely good value for that car, but sadly too far outside of our monthly budget or we'd be all over it. Just posting here in case anyone based in NI can take advantage - fire me a PM and I'll send you the link to the company.

    **NB the way the salary sacrifice scheme is structured means the higher your salary, the lower the monthly leasing cost, so your figures could be different.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭sk8board


    It’s a real case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder - or “if I had €575 per month to spend on a car I’d spend it on a ….”


    €13.5k in rental payments for at most 30,000km on a car first released in 2018, from an ailing manufacturer



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