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John Bruton RIP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,870 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Oh come on, they smiled because he was living in an alternative fantasy world.

    Even the presenter was getting fed up of him in the end



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Isn't it absolutely wonderful that people on a discussion programme will listen to one another, though? Where would you get it but in Ireland!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭monseiur


    He would have died even happier if Charles had become king of England, Ireland and British dominions beyond the seas🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 (title of George VI)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,457 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    of latter-day Conor Cruise O'Brien maybe - Cruiser was a TD and Minister decades before he became a Unionist commentator!

    The time between the Downing Street Declaration and the GFA was critical, and that happened under his leadership - albeit Spring in Foreign Affairs was probably more important. If things hadn't been advanced in those three years, there would have been no GFA in 1998, it would have taken years more.

    Decommissioning, essential to the GFA, started under the Rainbow (and Major, for that matter) governments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭batman75


    Just watched the RTE special on the passing of John Bruton. They really lack anybody of gravitas in house to put Bruton's legacy in historical context. Troubled by Alan Dukes's appearance. He doesn't look well. Came across well and hopefully he is not ill. He was the first FG leader I remember growing up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,784 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Born with a fag in his mouth was Alan- indeed I wish him well too.

    I guess all the “greats” or “notorious” are all but gone at this stage. Bruton was a relatively young leader - the people that worked along side him and across from him in the Dail were much older - so very few contemporaries from that era left - he’s outlived them all albeit at a young age of 76



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    He seemed a thoroughly decent guy.

    It's a bit funny Bertie saluting his integrity and decency. I wasn't aware he had that view of the 1916 rising. Hindsight is a great general any way. I wouldn't have agreed with some of his politics, but I get the impression he put the country first in so much as it is possible to do so. I respect him for that. Goodbye John Bruton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭theguzman


    John Bruton, traditional old conservative Fine Gael before they got hijacked by the leftwing. A nice man, good politician and had the best interests of Ireland at heart, a patriot. The same cannot be said for Marxist Fine Gael today however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭monseiur


    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It takes an unselfish man with a spine of steel, with morals, with a sense of justice to put his life on the line, go into the trenches and fight for his people's rights and when the time comes become a statesman and fight his corner around the ''political'' table. Think the Good Friday Agreement etc.

    On the other hand spineless men eunuchs with long tongues become obedient arse lickers. Gerry was well able to separate the wheat from the chaff....his life and that of his colleagues depended on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    A special on the day of his death? isn't that a little precipitate or was it a review of his legacy on the news, which hopefully didn'tleave the presenter with brown on their nose.

    I'd expect the hagiography to be aired fairly soon nonetheless.



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  • Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Didn't agree with him on a number of issues. But a solid politician in the early days, good leader and on a personal level, affable and genuine.

    May he rest in peace.

    I thought this was pretty nasty from Social Democrat stand-in councillor and general Angry Man Karl Stanley.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Most politicians are affable on a personal level, it goes with the territory and gets them votes.

    It has nothing to do their politics or with whether they care about you, their constituents or the country.

    On the death of a politician, if you hear commentators talking about what a nice guy they were, or how many babies they kissed, you can be sure that the pol did nothing of value during their career, or even left things worse than they found them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,784 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Reminds me of a scratch Saturday sketch from early 90s

    Michael Noonan talking to John Bruton on leadership:

    Alan wouldn’t kiss the babies and the babies don’t want to kiss you 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    I would have held different political opinions to John on many things.

    But he was a man of integrity. And I would say a very good human being. May he rest in peace and condolences to his family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,774 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Leadership is more about doing what is not popular but is in the national interest. A rare thing in Irish politics.

    Unfortunately the voters wanted populism so they kicked responsible government out in 1997 and put in Fianna Fáil.

    And look how many lives populism eventually destroyed in 2010. All the lives destroyed to this day.

    There is a lesson here too for those thinking of voting Sinn Féin. When you vote against stability in favour of populism the price comes due inevitably.

    "You can only spend other people's money until it runs out"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,823 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    John Bruton head and shoulders above all the current shower of party leaders.

    A decent man with solid convictions and a formidable intellect. RIP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭kk.man


    John Bruton was a decent politician with great ideas. A self confessed Redmonitte which must not be many around. This view I have no doubt helped build trust with the Unionists. He was not a Unionists like some have suggested here but he had sympathy with their values and beliefs. Anyone who thinks we will still have the tri colour and the nation anthem etc in a united Ireland is living in dream land. I also hope that's not around the corner either. It will be then the legacy of John Bruton will be fully understood.

    He was a decent and honest politician RIP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,823 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    So it's "Irelands Call" for the National Anthem. 😀

    I think in any United Ireland, the tricolour and anthem will remain.

    90% of the population will insist on it.

    When partition happened in 1921, there was still a huge population of Unionists in the South of Ireland. Mostly in Leinster. They were insisting on similar things then, but never got them. The Majority decided then and will decide again when there is a United Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,689 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Straight-shooter and very principled. Caring man!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    But this is slightly misleading as prior to the crash I didn't hear many of the opposition shouting stop or calling for prudence. If Fianna Fowl had put the national interest first what would the response of the public and opposition have been to such prudence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭Packrat


    There are any amount of books and studies by people who have spent years studying possible UI scenarios. Pretty much NONE of them think we'll still have the tri-colour or Amhrán Na Bfhiann. You're dead wrong if you think we will.

    BTW- I personally will miss both but I accept the reality that they would have to change in order for the bigger more important change to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The Tricolour may remain itbis green white and oranges.Amhrán Na Bfhiann no. The 12th will have to be a bank holiday probable

    ,

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,823 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    There will be a huge percentage of the population who will revolt if the National Anthem is taken away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,864 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The flag is a much larger sticking point tbh.

    Most people don't even know the words of the anthem and let's face it, as a tune it's pretty dire

    Handing over the tricolour to become the badge of hardline republicanism once again would be a huge mistake.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Eibhir


    I'd be happy with this. The red hand is Ulster for Unionists. It's Ulster historically for Nationalists. The coat of arms of the great Ui Neill kings of Ireland. I know it looks like a mad Caribbean flag 😅

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,784 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Hand needs to be on the Orange part- can we have a leprechaun, a pint of Guinness and a pack of tayto on the green part? 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Would the Dal Cais be happy with the Red Hand?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,457 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Tayto would cause another partition considering there's a licensor in NI that produces a quite different product.



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