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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Eric O’Sullivan rumoured to be leaving Ulster. With Milne supposedly headed to Munster, wonder would Connacht be in the market for EOS?

    If Thornbury hasn’t recovered fully I’d also be looking at bringing Quinn Roux back. Have himself and Joyce battle for the tight head lock.

    Matt Gallagher was linked with a return to Munster briefly but I wouldn’t mind Connacht putting in a bid for him either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    We seem fairly stocked at LH but if any were released he would be most welcome. Still only 28.

    I'd have Roux back in a heartbeat of Thornbury was released. But we do have Josh Murphy coming back after his year off. By the way he has been playing AIL.

    Don't know too much about Gallagher tbh.



  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Dax Gorgeous Wing


    I'm not sure if Quin Roux rejoining would make financial sense for us. At 33 a lock of his quality still commands a very good salary. Do we want to use our limited budget on a player who will limit the time we use to develop the Murrays? If Quin were here right now he'd probably starting two out of three games.

    I doubt we're in for Matt Gallagher. The IRFU won't want us competing with Munster and we already have a lot of under used back three resources. I see us backing Cordero to become our starting fullback, extending Tiernan for another 12 months, and looking to develop one of our existing players as a third option.

    I haven't watched enough of Eric O'Sullivan to know if he'd improve our loosehead options sufficiently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Don't particularly rate O'Sullivan but he would be grand as a replacement for Burke or Duggan. I would like one of the 4 senior squad slots to be filled by a young player with the potential to replace Buckley over the next two seasons, whether that's one of Ward or Michel, or perhaps we could look at converting Temi Lasisi back to loosehead.

    Hard pass on Roux. He barely got onto the pitch for us during his last couple of seasons with us, and is now well into his 30s. As a capped international is a well paid position I assume he would command a decent salary, and its hard to see us getting our money's worth out of him.

    We have far too many outside backs on the books currently, wouldn't want to see us signing more unless there's a decent clearout.



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  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Dax Gorgeous Wing


    If a sensible arrangement could be made about money he's still an excellent player. He appears to have had better luck with injuries of late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Only issue I have with the Irish team selection tonight relates to Robbie. Since he moved to Leinster he seems to have been murdered with injuries. And does anyone remember a young lad called Cian Kelleher who was doing really well at Connacht and has now disappeared into oblivion



  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Dax Gorgeous Wing


    Robbie plays a very abrasive physical game. He's been unlucky with injuries at Leinster but he also takes a lot of contact.

    Cian Kelleher plays for Ealing Trailfinders in the English Championship. I suppose the RFU and Premiership have pretty much turned that into oblivion. He backed himself to return to his home province but the harsh truth is that Leinster have seasoned internationals and better players coming through. Even when he scored tries for us he was suspect defensively and under a high ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Yeah I remember him saying he was always going to return to Galway eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Didn't realise Cian Kelleher went to Ealing Trailfinders. Not a shabby team. Why he left is his own decision. What kills me about Trailfinders is that the RFU will not allow them access to the premier league because their facilities do not meet requirements.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    There is the expression 'for club and country'. Bundee you have the latter part sorted, now would you mind sorting out the former. And if Connacht isn't good enough for you anymore then just do the honourable thing and move to a club you wish to perform for. I think it would help everyone involved

    Post edited by ElisaAtWar on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Would love to see Hugh Gavin given senior minutes before the season is out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    Problem with the later part of the season is that results become even more crucial so rotation is even less likely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Would agree results become more important but the opposition is arguably weaker. Playing the lions, Dragons and zebre in the second half of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,325 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Looks like a ready made Aki replacement even though Bundee is still playing at a high level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 752 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Every now and then, someone makes a post, and it becomes crystal clear that their opinion is worthless

    Post edited by CuriousCucumber on


  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Dax Gorgeous Wing


    I'm embarrassed that a supporter would post this crap. It's up there with those who have booed him off the pitch because he didn't have a great game after a long time away.

    Bundee has been half baked for most of his Connacht minutes this season and built in quality as he played. If anything the province has sold him short so far by not building a season where he has major games to contribute to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭kita99


    I think that Connacht got 'world class' ctb at last night in France. I can't wait the day to see him alongside Hansen. I'm so sorry this boring post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    I didn't expect a positive response to my post. And no indeed I was not one of those 'fans' who booed him off the pitch.

    At the same time I certainly don't agree that Bundee should have the Connacht selectors fitting him into an appropriate game for him.

    One thing is very clear. He is not a leader. He is a fantastic rugby player but he needs to be in an environment where his qualities supplement the team but at the same time he must be complimented and loved and success is imperative.

    Unfortunately Connacht is not such a team. At Connacht you just grind out the best season you can and hope for the best. This is not enough for Bundee.

    It's my opinion and I am in no way embarrassed by it because I firmly believe it's the truth.

    And I believe such selfish behaviour has a negative knock on for the rest of the team.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 752 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    If no one acknowledges him, he might stop, and find a sport or a team he wants to support



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Vary much enjoyed the U20 game against France. As mentioned above Hugh Gavin was very impressive. Looking at last year's line up, I noted that 11-13 are all now in our Academy:

    (11) James Nicholson

    (12) John Devine

    (13) Hugh Gavin

    All three have yet to make their debuts in senior rugby.

    Their French opposite numbers from last year's U20 Chamionship final were:

    (11) Théo Attissogbé

    who has had 12 starts and 1 appearance off the bench for a total of 629 minutes

    (12) Paul Costes

    5 starts and 4 appearance off the bench for a total of 470 minutes

    (13) Nicolas Deportere

    who has had 12 starts and 2 appearance off the bench for a total of 1002 minutes

    It is argued that the Irish system takes a more player friendly approach to development and that the French are rushing players through, but the contrast above suggests a reluctance that exceeds caution. And it's not only about the most recent intake, Look at Mattie Devine.

    Eagles games seem to have disappeared entirely. In the lull between the URC/HEC games die to the 6N Connacht have no friendlies, where Munster and Leinster have two apiece. This leaves AIL (mostly in the lower divisions), or for those like Gavin, the underage competitions.

    My point is: our young talent should not be sitting on its hands in the Academy. More of these players should be give opportunities with the senior squad (I would argue that we could cut the senior squad to a point which will imply some reliance on the academy, especially among the backs), or else a real priority should be made to organise fixtures for our A teams, friendlies etc.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Far more opportunities in france to get games with 14 top flight teams, another 16 in prod2

    You cant cut senior squad as makes injuries hurt prospects even more.

    Some academy players vould or should be moved to other clubs in other provinces until connacht clubs can stay in division 1/get back to division 1 consistently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I like that idea! That's a good way to get them quality minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis



    Yes the TOP 14 has more fixtures but the French teams are also more willing to play their emerging talent at a younger age. The Prem has a similar number of fixtures to the URC (18 v 16), yet all of the players at 11/12/13 on last year's England U20 team have made multiple appearances for their clubs.

    As regards AIL club transfers, this is already happening, both DTM and Oran McNulty have played for Garryowen this season.

    I'm going to stand by my point that Connacht need to do more in terms of creating playing opportunities for their younger players. We also have senior squad members who were not getting any value from. As the runt of the provincial litter in terms of the provinces, it needs to be get better value for money, we're not going to be indulged. We also need a setup that motivates talented young players to come and make it their home, and that means the opportunity for quick progression. Obviously it does happen, see Cian Prendergast, but IMO it should happen more.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Easier to play the younger players when theres 14 teams and then the 16 in division 2. I was saying that more than theres more games which tbf also helps.

    Connacht could be trying to find a games but all provinces not playing them as much as they used to.

    There used to be a substantial number of connacht players including academy playing woth limerick/dublin clubs but you can see why the province wants its players with its own clhbs especially if they can help get those clubs up the divisions as well.

    Predergast got fast tracked as he wad clearly ready to go up grades. Others have been played first team quickly after joining as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,814 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Gavin was phenomenal on Saturday, the best player on a pitch littered with professional experience. His opposite number had played 16 Top 14 and Challenge Cup games, and he played him off the park. I believe that the coaching staff should have a plan for every single player under contract, but it is particularly imperative that such a talent be managed in a considered manner. He shouldn't be anywhere near Galwegians after the 6N, AIL 2C is beneath him. I would argue that such a plan should look something like:

    • Full time senior training upon his return from Ireland duty and a few caps before the end of the season.
    • A 3 year senior contract from 24/25 and a further 10+ caps.
    • First choice 13 from 25/26 on.

    While versatility is no harm for a young player, and playing him on the wing may be a good way to introduce him to first team action, long term I would be looking at him as our first choice outside centre. I do think 12 is his best position but our age profile there is good with Forde, Hawkshaw, and Devine. On the other hand, Tom Farrell turns 31 this year and we have failed to establish an alternative at 13 thus far.

    The above seems nearly insulting to the coaching staff, however I just can't see what our plan is/has been for some of our most talented young players over the past while. Shane Jennings is 23 now and has played barely over 100 senior minutes. Oisin McCormack turns 23 soon and has 17 Challenge Cup minutes to show for almost 5 years in the system. Is our plan for Matthew Devine to have him play two full seasons in the lower reaches of the AIL?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Connacht have some serious depth in the backline. At 12 alone there's, Forde; Hawkshaw and Aki. In the academy there's Gavin, Devine and Hawkshaw. There's no room for them all! In the interest of fairness, 2 of them should be moved on to the other provinces.



  • Posts: 186 ✭✭ Dax Gorgeous Wing


    My guess is that Connacht have moved to a model where senior starts in many positions are based on players being very competitive in training. Our squad has a lot more depth and quality in most positions than ever before with only 22 regular season fixtures. The downside for Connacht is that we're not a team like Leinster where rotation is a lower risk higher reward model with the cream of players from their huge pool. Our coaches get pilloried by supporters whenever fielding a weakened side costs us a game.

    Gavin has looked brillant so hopefully he's in a position to put his hand up next season. The coaches seem to like Ralston as our second choice 13. Until his Yellow against Munster he'd played every minute of the season and covered Farrell at all but one game there. Gavin and the other young backs can take some inspiration from Cathal Forde. As soon as he was good enough to play he became indispensable.

    At some point Wilkins stated in an interview that Matthew Devine has been training full time with the senior squad since the start of the season. We don't have a lot of depth there so he may get his chance.

    I do think that our coaches need to be strategic about developing a larger core of Connacht men across the team even if it involves a bit more short difficulty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Forde certainly took his chance and then some, but in Bundee's absence it took an injury to David Hawkshaw to get that opportunity. Cian Prendergast got his break when Sean Masterson got injured early on against Racing a few seasons back, and I think it was an injury crisis that led to him being on the bench in the first place.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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