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The new recycling system

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There is a false narrative being peddled by our governance and the handsomely paid people in the newly formed Quango, that this scheme is mandatory and being forced upon us by the EU. Ergo we have no choice.

    There is an opt out of the scheme entirely if we achieve a 78% collection rate on PET plastic bottles by 2026. But of course no one can tell us what our collection rate is now. So we could actually be there already, it doesn't matter a jot if that plastic ends up exported, landfilled or burned, that is going to continue to happen regardless. We don't have facility at the moment to recycle at that scale. No where near it. It would be the equivalent of buying half dozen cattle and bringing them home to your 2nd floor apartment.

    Again this scheme has absolutely nothing to do with recycling, it's coming in under the single use plastic directive. It's a collection scheme. Cans are not plastic, they were included in the scheme because they are as trash goes high value items.

    Why is that important? because including cans means a rather large transfer of wealth from the private collection companies to Re-Turn.

    The end result in that is all our collection bills go up.

    Why else is it important, human behaviours.

    If only plastic was included in the scheme, the reality is because it is a complete pain in the hole people may change their ways and reduce their plastic use because their is some alternatives, but the fact they included cans as well, now it becomes far more difficult more difficult to source alternatives and why would you bother if you have to haul your arsé to the machine anyway?

    Plus sure this scheme is super good for environment so why would I reduce my use when I'm being patted on the head for "recycling".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭whippet


    I don't know - so long since I had to buy one - how much are they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭JVince


    have you seen a plastic bag in a ditch or on a hedge recenlty?

    I remember going to Killarney on a windy summer's evening with some american friends. They commented on the amount of litter on the approach roads. Mostly these were the lightweight plastic bags that stuck to branches.

    It as an ugly sight and a simply small charge (now 22c) that got rid of the problem overnight.


    Go to a beach on a summer's day and look at the hundreds of cans and bottles left behind by a cohort of people who simply don't give a damn. - My guess is this summer will see substantially cleaner beaches, parks and open spaces



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Haven’t gotten one for less than €1 in years. I must have Irelands biggest collection of plastic bags at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,429 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Me neither.

    That's three of us in a few posts.

    Must be an indication of the success of the levy.

    Of course that's what it was, a levy.

    Not like DRS where you can get your money back.

    I think DRS will change people's shopping habits in a similar way to how the levy changed the bags they use to carry the shopping.

    We have seen signs on this thread already that some are reconsidering their buying habits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Live by a beach. Constantly see discarded plastic bags.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,908 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Would humbly suggest a €10/€15 backpack. Will get 5/10 years out of it, easier to carry stuff, not giving free advertising to a shop, won't end up with a collection of plastic bags etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    What really pisses me off is that there has been zero attempt to integrate the collections targets into the existing well established collection system. I have no problem with the return machines as an additional measure but it's preposterous to try and force people to abandon the system they use & pay for already. I wish them bad luck with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I cant ever find a plastic bag in a shop when i need one that only 22c.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,760 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    So retailers should be ensuring that the VAT applied to the purchase of Re-turn items excludes the deposit amount.

    Re-turn have to pay VAT on bottles or cans that are not returned.

    “Under VAT law, the deposit amount will be regarded as nil when the drink product is moving through the supply chain. A VAT liability will arise on the deposits when empty plastic bottles or cans are not returned. In this case, the operator of the scheme will be the person who is liable for the VAT due,” Revenue confirmed.

    https://www.shelflife.ie/deposit-return-scheme-no-vat-on-deposit-for-retailers/#ixzz8Qa20U2zV

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Have one, but sometimes don’t bring it to work with me if I’m not planning on going to shop. Or sometimes can’t fit everything in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭whippet


    so do I - there is also a scurge of plastic bottles and cans - wouldn't it be great if some young lads in the village took it upon them selves to get up early on a saturday morning and collected what they could and pop in to the shop at teh other end of the beach and made a few quid for themselves each week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭harr


    Got my first 15c today 🙄😂 bottle of Arizona tea no logo on bottle and the RVM took it no issues .. checked shopping this morning and another couple of items no logo barcode is on list .. so seems to be a large number of non logo items in circulation..

    edit

    I wasn’t charged the extra 15c when buying it same price as always..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,760 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Had you paid a deposit on it or did you buy it before rollout?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭SteM


    I wonder is the price per litre on their site calculated and that's why they've done it that way? The extra 15c would knock the calculated value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭TokTik


    You think the RVM will take cans that have been out in the elements? Mainly trod on and crushed, bottles with the labels torn off?

    If they got 15c for one in 10 minutes gets be doing well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    I was told by an aldi staff member yesterday that they weren't operational because aldi didn't have any stock. I don't think they understand how its supposed to work.........

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭harr


    Only purchased it this morning and didn’t pay a deposit.. I had asked the girl in shop and she said it was all old stock and wasn’t aware some items could be returned without the logo ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭harr


    IMG_5825.jpeg

    So what happens here a 4 pack , the individual bottles don’t have a barcode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,908 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    You shouldn't be charged a deposit. The product should be withdrawn from sale over the next few months when current stocks are depleted (or redesigned with individual bar-codes).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,760 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Impossible - there was a public consultation on it!

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,429 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    No the RVM won't take crushed damaged containers.

    Maybe the kids will pick up a few refundables maybe not but I wouldn't put them off trying.

    Let's be fair here the cause of litter on the beach is the dirty people who left it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 496 ✭✭ax530


    Shops don't stocks plastic carrier bags anymore.

    Supermarkets have 'reusable plastic bags' bigger one.

    Clothes shops use paper bags ( no levy)

    Can't see the same happening with plastic bottles. Very few alternatives.

    Guess idea of this scheme is replacing bins with recycling machines.

    If they did something similar for McDonald's drink cups or coffee cups places would be much tidier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Correct, and the dirty people who left it there aren’t gonna clean up after themselves and carry empty pristine cans with them back to a shop for 90c if it’s a 6 pack they’re drinking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,429 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    All we can hope is that some will.

    In any event even if some dirty people continue to litter it's not the fault of DRS or the kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭Dermot224


    How do you get deposit back on multipacks when individual bottles/ cans have no barcode?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,429 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    AFAIK you can't so you shouldn't pay a deposit on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Guess idea of this scheme is replacing bins with recycling machines.

    That machine is just a bin, it doesn't recycle anything.

    But Yip, they have replaced 1.5 million locations with 1800.

    Because that is how you solve littering.

    Reduce the number of bins by 99%. Sure it's genius when you think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭creedp


    But they haven't replaced anything. More accurate to say they added 1800 locations to the existing 1.9m



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Of course they have, if you are precluded from using your own bin under sanction of a fairly substantial penalty, that bin no longer becomes a viable alternative.

    Bins exist for trash collection not throwing money into.



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