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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...



    the Hypervolt cost me about €550 landed. Ask for the quote though, because they have a new version that’s easier to install and better than the one I have.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    There’s minimal price delta between the two. Leaving a cable plugged into an untethered unit would just look horrible imo. The only reasons to go untethered are:

    1. neatness when not charging.
    2. if you have type 1 and type 2 cars. But this can be resolved with an adapter if going tethered.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    yeah, I had forgotten about the adapters!!! this resolves my issues then and I can just go with tethered

    Do these type 2 to type 1 adapters generally work ok?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    In order to avail of the EV grant

    1. does it have to be a 'smart' charger?
    2. does it work if you buy one 2nd hand from a friend etc?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    thanks ghost. would something like below be more practical?

    seems more rigid


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The adapter I linked is the same one I use on my type 2 Hypervolt charger for my type 1 Nissan Leaf. Note: if using a Hypervolt you need to disable the “random start” option from the menu in the APP.

    1. yes
    2. yes

    I would'nt use the rigid one because it is more likely to cause damage to the cars charge port because it will stick out more and be a lever that could result in high repair bills.

    Post edited by ...Ghost... on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604



    thanks!

    What'sthe ‘moth’ in the first paragraph? Should it be ‘both’


    last paragraph:

    do you mean, ‘I would not use’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Personally if I had both type 2 and type 1 cars I'd save myself the €100 adapter and go untethered, especially if the cars already have their own cables, which they should.

    On the great untethered V tethered debate, having had both at various stages I can say there's pros and cons to either.

    When I was untethered, if the cable wasn't in use charging it was behind the drivers seat on the floor for easy access, or if there were passengers or it was wet, in the boot. No real need to be messing around putting it in it's bag if you're constantly using it. Literally a few seconds to remove or plug in the cable.

    On the theft risk of untethered, I think there's as much likelihood of someone stealing the entire charger, especially as they make us put in the isolation switch now which allows it to be stolen 'safely'.

    Now I'm tethered, I find I'm spending a bit more time messing around with the cable so I don't leave a trip hazard for anyone else while it's not in use.

    It's no contest when it comes to neatness, sometimes I do look at my friends tiny untethered EO mini that you'd barely notice and regret going tethered.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    some good point there.

    My main thing about untethered is theft.

    >90% of my charging will be at home....and I don't want to be taking the cable in and out of car, I just want to leave it plugged in to the charge unit and hanging up on a hook etc, then take it with me when needed on the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I corrected my post, sorry 😂. I was posting that on my phone while working.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The adapter has other benefits. It's used at places where there is only a type 2 tethered charger, such as hotels and some businesses. We have 4 first gen Leafs between my family and extended family. Visiting an inlaw over Christmas who has a type 2 charger, the adapter I have was used to top up the 4 Leafs over about 5 hours. The previous year, a granny charger and extension cord was needed, as well as more hours which was a little bit of drama. It is worth having an adaptor regardless of your home charger type imo.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    regarding the qualification for the grant on the charger having to be 'smart' -- did this hange in recent times?

    obviously the first ones were not smart and you still got the grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    They changed the smart requirement last year. I never bothered with the grant personally.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭nialldinho


    Hi

    I'm looking to get a charger installed and have contacted a number of installers. They have all said that my meter tails need to be upgraded first. This requires certification. The house was rewired 10 years ago but the tails obviously were left at 10mm. I have the cert from that rewiring job. Will this be sufficient or is testing and recertification necessary?

    Thanks



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Unfortunately if you have 10mm2 cable you need your electrician to submit a new cert to get esbn to come out.

    Whoever did the rewire was obliged to change the tails to 16mm2 but that's moot now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You paid for a professional and got a cowboy. Getting the tails done will be simpe enough though. Any reci will be able to do it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭nialldinho


    Thanks both


    Installer is saying I should submit the old cert to SEAI before they carry out the tails upgrade. I'm just not sure why that would be necessary if they will have to issue a cert after upgrade anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ardara


    As you probably have heard many of us had an Autel home charger installed by a certain company which subsequently went into liquidation in September/October last year.

    This left us with an unsupported product that immediately stopped working. I believe most of us have at least got it working again with help from some very bright people on these very boards.

    Having chosen what I thought was a large reputable manufacturer I am gobsmacked at the lack of support or responsibility they have displayed.

    I have written to Autel to complain with only the reply “you need to speak to the third party installer”.

    I have spoken with the one man band of Autel in Dublin who quoted me 350 euro plus VAT to take on support of their product.

    I have emailed the 6 Donegal TDs only one of whom bothered to reply. He sent it on to SF Environment Spokesperson who replied detailing how he has raised this a few times and will continue to chase (my general point to TDs was the undermining of green technologies by flash in the pan small businesses going bust leaving no support for these products).

    I even complained to the CPCC (consumer protection) who seemed to suggest there wasn’t a huge amount we could do.

    Considering these products are supposed to have a 3 year warranty I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas of another step I/we could try?

    GRMA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,359 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I'm confused the warranty is with the manufacturer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Autel don't support end users. Too late now, but always avoid products from companies that only deal with the trade. I made a similar mistake last year when I purchased a palladio door. The installer was a dud when it came to support a few days after the install when I needed a part and repair I was happy to pay for. After I didn't hear back, I called Palladio who told me they don't deal with the public. For such an expensive product, I was rightly pi55ed off, as I only needed a trim piece! Don't buy Palladio and don't buy Autel.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    I know you are supposed to get a REC to install a new charge point, to make sure everything is up to scratch. But what about a straight replacement of a charge point? Not doing anything with wiring other than disconnecting an old point and connecting a new one. Does that still require a REC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    This is exactly what I did. I argue it's a direct replacement of a socket and so if you are competent and confident, go right ahead. Or if you are in Dublin, i'll do it for half the price of the best RECI quote you get 😁






    joke

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,359 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Technically no. It has to have a rec, restricted works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭crl84


    For a job like that, buy the unit directly, and get any local electrician to swap it out. Less than 1hr job.

    Plenty of companies will quote 1k+ as if it was a brand new install from scratch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭Orebro


    Hi all,

    I have an 8 year old Rolec which still works fine but showing signs of wear and tear, I've never claimed the €600 grant (got the application in just before the new year before it got halved). I'm not really interested in spending €1k on a Zappi so I'm wondering if anyone could recommend a reasonably priced reliable "smart" charger that qualifies for the SEAI grant? Is there such a thing thats decent quality available in the €300 to €500 range for example?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭Orebro


    Thanks! Is there a supplier for these in Ireland / can they be purchased online?



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  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Don't think so, you can buy direct from Uk manufacturer. Ask for a vat free quote.



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