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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What I said is fact, SF would be shipping criticism if they boycotted or went.

    From what I am seeing tonight as well Furze, SF are the least of the DUP's worries at the moment.

    The southern protectors of the DUP's sensitivities are bizarre at times.

    They are trying to conclude a grubby secret deal with the even grubbier Tories that affects everyone not only in NI but on the whole island and you want to hush everyone in case the poor wee souls will get offended?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Do you want to see them back or Stormont or not? Fairly simple question.

    The pragmatic unionists clearly want to get back in and make NI work as a long term project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What has that got to do with anything?

    I want a functioning Stormont but not at any grubby price because that will fail again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Sinn Fein a no show on the Tonight Show on Virgin Media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,328 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Just about to post that.

    Again, that party are a joke.

    One of the biggest issues facing the country, they get invited to one of the main Current Affairs programs to put forward their views on key policy areas, but they run away like scared little children and babies.

    Actually, children and babies would be braver.

    **** cowards and these are the people who some want to run the country next time out?

    Get a lollipop lady, at least they will show up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Didn’t do Enda any harm😁 he tefused Tonight Show and other debates. Legendary for it.

    You should google first before the ranting.

    It’s a TV show not the Dàil.

    It is a fairly common thing to hear ‘ xxxxx had nobody available for comment’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,328 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Another Francie 'Oh look over there'

    For someone who loves SF and defends them, you sure never talk about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The View From Stormont is where it’s at tonight.

    Neale waffling again? No thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,348 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


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    Maybe FG + FF + SD could form next Govt, maybe + GP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yep, I think that is the most lukley outcome, though probably indies rather than GP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    It really would be embarrasing if they got in to power here.

    Hopefully the support decline continues before the GE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Lot of water to pass under the bridge before talking about government formation.

    The immigration debacle has the potential to sunder relations in the coalition. 81% unhappy with the government is gonna rile the backbenchers and some frontbenchers too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    SF arent proposing a u-turn on immigration though.

    They arent a viable alternative on that issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We can talk about that when we figure out where FF and FG end up on the matter. Sands will shift somewhat I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I dont see a major change from FFG, though FG will likley toughen up to a degree.

    SF will not take an anti immigration stance though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yep, dog-whistling and 'tough talk' about immigration are not going to win over those who are seriously concerned about that issue in the absence of policy 'red meat'. All it's likely to do is alienate middle-class liberals...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If there isn’t change then I think trouble beckons for FF FG.

    Say what you want about opposition, the mess is their making.

    I can see one of them carry the can in the election, hence FG shifting position, they can see it coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    trouble doesnt really beckon if no other party is championing an alternative approach.

    People might not be happy with the immigration situation, but they have to vote for someone (and no party has an alternative stance) or dont vote at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    In an ideal world maybe. People lash out too. Happened many times.

    FF take a drop in the polls and the internal wrangling breaks out. All sorts of things can happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That would only make 80, which is short of the 88 required for a majority.

    Even FF and SF would fall short in that scenario with only 86.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Isn't this so typical of Sinn Fein.

    We don't know what we are against, but we are against it.

    This thread is about Sinn Fein, there is another thread about the FF/FG government. This thread is about discussing SF policies and how difficult it makes forming a government. So far, all we seem to be getting is that SF are "different", SF want "change", but there is nothing, zero, zilch, after that.

    If nobody knows, not even MLMD, what SF policy on immigration is, how can anyone vote for them? The admittance in this post that SF will look to see what way the wind is blowing or the sands are shifting before deciding tells you all you need to know about SF, that they have no ideas, that they have no leadership, and it is straight from the mouth of someone claiming to be a SF supporter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    I really struggle to get my head around what SF's strategy for winning the next election actually is, in my most generous moments I think they have some good ideas or strong changes that they are holding back for now so FFG don't steal them but then I think back to how lackluster they were in the last election and think its more likely they just have nothing and their whole strategy is to pick holes in what FFG are doing without saying what they would actually be doing different.

    It really stumps me how there is a clear open goal for them to win big but they cant come up with anything to win voters over from FFG

    Immigration is a clear one, would anyone be surprised if SF came out with a strong agenda to fight immigration? I wouldn't, I don't think their base would either and FFG would struggle to counter it but yet we here are. They could pretty much just copy paste what the Tories have been up to in the UK for the last decade except, you know, actually then do something when in power 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Independents will largely be elected on the back of the immigration issue. They'll find it impossible to get into bed with those who are imposing same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If the immigration issue continues to degenerate the way it is, you could likely see a situation where a government can't be formed at all. We were not all that far away from it last time out and there was no immigration issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The strategy for a long time has been sit on the fence and hope the public come out strong in one direction and then go in that direction.

    Immigration is the first one which they have made a call on it and it's back fired on them. Sinn Fein only hope by the looks of it is doing two things

    1. Swing on immigration and hope that people believe them
    2. Shut down the "online supporters" group which for years now is doing more damage than good for the party

    Really when Mary Lou came out and called them "ignorant pigs" you would have thought it would have stopped but it didn't. The online supporters are put a huge gap between Sinn Fein and other political supporters around Ireland, meaning other parties will struggle to get a coalition agreed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am sorry, but I am not sure how you can contend they sit on the fence on climate change, cost of living/inflation, budget/spending, employment, crime/gardaí and the Israel-Palestine conflict?

    You may not agree with them (that's an entirely different argument), I don't on everything they proprose, but it isn't hard to find their position on these key concern (as per IT poll) for voters.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,125 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    As a consequence of trying to be all things to all people the SF base doesn't actually have one view on immigration. The reason that SF are being quiet on this and hoping nobody notices is they know they can't take a position on it without annoying a section of their potential voters.

    If they take an anti-immigration stance they'll lose some of their new, young, student-union type left leaning voters. If they take a pro-immigration stance they will alienate some of their traditional, conservative voters. People sometimes think of SF as a party full of lefties, it is not, many of their traditional vote base, the people who voted for them before the past few years, are quite conservative.

    SF are seriously struggling to adjust to the fact that there's an election next year that they look set to top the polls in and fence sitting is no longer going to cut it. You cannot just be anti-government decisions now. The Ukrainian refugee change in policy, let's wait and see what the government do first thing was embarrassingly bad. They haven't a notion what to do on that. The 300k houses was another poorly thought out idea. The dog whistling with the Dublin riots, again they hadn't a clue what to do there other than call for resignations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,946 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Administrators Posts: 55,125 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The government parties views on immigration is fairly clear, so anyone voting for them knows what they're going to get. Not everyone in their base may love it, but they know what they're going to get.

    With SF, they are being deliberately ambiguous on this issue. So they have people who are potentially going to vote for them thinking they're going to get an anti-immigration party, and people who think they're going to get a pro-immigration party.

    Once SF actually have to make clear their policy (which is inevitable, if they think they can duck this one forever they are deluded), they are going to alienate at least some of one of these groups. Some may still vote for them as they are willing to overlook this issue, but others will certainly be turned off by it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,935 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    We see the problem with the online supporters on this very thread. They are even emptier of ideas than the SF political representatives, if that is possible. The only thing they are full of is "look over there" stuff, and vitriol towards all others.

    There is no big idea associated with Sinn Fein. Since the last election, they have sat back and thought it will just come to us. However, since then, the government have worked hard, brought the country through the pandemic, a lot better than other countries, and kept us on the rise. Big projects like BusConnects, DART+ and Metrolink are about to come on stream (and we don't even know what SF policy on those is). Even housing is getting better with record numbers of first-time buyers, the key demographic.

    Immigration is the big one, but maintaining that balance between being welcoming and having good rules is the challenge, but SF again, are all at sea on the government's main weakness.



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