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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yes, probably delusional, the Ukrainians are not playing 4D chess to lull the Russians into a false sense of optimism, people have been making such claims since early last year...

    Meanwhile, Ukraine needs to first make sure everyone on its team is actually helping rather than using the war for personal gain:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Beijing produced the “9-Dash Line” out of the ether to unilaterally claim ownership of damn near the entirety of the South China Sea. They claimed it was based on some “found” historic maps, but the reality is that they just wanted control of a resource-rich area. China will certainly try to expand when possible. They’re just slyer about it than the Russians.

    There are sections of the Russian Far East that we know were actually part of China before, and Beijing would need to cook up considerably less fiction to make their case. Furthermore the CCP’s M-O in controlling territory isn’t about the headache of controlling non-Han people. Their record so far is to strictly regulate the local population and then plant Han migrants into the area until they outnumber the locals. This has been their tactics in Tibet & Xinjang and I fully imagine a repeat of that in Russia if they thought they could get away with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Once again, here we are with a post that is almost entirely non-factual. First it was "the Brits don't have the codes for their nuclear deterrent", now the Bradleys - IFVs that have been seen making mincemeat out of Russian MBTs, including a T-90 - are "completely ineffective".


    One might wonder where this poster gets their information from (if one didn't already have a pretty good idea).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The Bradley's have been shown to tear through the supposedly invincible T90 tanks; as with most things the might of the Russian army has been exaggerated if not outright false.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭thereitisgone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,758 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Good points that I agree with. Ukraine needs to make putin's adventure acting as a terrorist in their country as costly for him as possible and something will eventually breakdown for putin. Recent drone strikes by Ukraine on oil infrastructure are an important step in this. Warfare has moved a long way from armies marching out onto a field and victory going to the one left standing at the end of the day. Russia is the largest country in the world by land area and has long held nuclear weapons and maintained a large army so there is good reason to try deflate its aggression and tendency toward terrorism in as low key fashion as possible. I understand people being frustrated that there are not huge levels of NATO weapons publicly flowing into Ukraine to drive putin out but a glorious war against NATO is exactly what he has been looking for to cement himself into the history books as a great wartime leader. The faltering support that has been publicised means he can't even claim that it is the full efforts of NATO countries to support Ukriane that his forces are failing against. Although still costly in human life I think there may be an agreement behind the scenes that a long term draining of the resources of putin's terrorist state is the safest approach for Ukraine and the rest of Europe. More signs of unrest in putin's terrorist state reported today:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I'd say the Bradley is the best vehicle of its type on the battlefield, in no small part because of the survivablility of the soldiers inside if its hit and it can be a tank killer too as it can carry TOW anti tank missiles etc.

    Otherwise the western MBTs were hyped up too much , this isnt a tank on tank conflict and they failed in any kind of breakthrough role for various reasons

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Russia are counting on that.

    How long will that take, 10, 20, 30 years? Longer?


    Unless their army is killed or injured at a high enough number to prevent continuation, that's it.


    Withdrawal comes only from the military price being too high.

    Sanctions always weaken over time and Russia has a lot of allies, sympathisers in Africa and Asia. Not of the economic power of the modern West but significant and enough to keep them going.


    If people want Ukraine to free their land then they must get everything they need. An awful lot of people are content to say Slava etc etc and leave it at that, talk of Russian casualties and their economy going down the swanee.


    Russia are pushing now because the Ukrainian counter offensive failed, that is what you call it when you are roughly where you were before it started.

    They might feel Ukraine might have to fall back but it also might be to push over the faltering Western support.


    Ukraine will not take back the land without an awful lot more Western support.


    The Kremlin now can reasonably hope that they will keep the land they have taken, they mightn't but they have a chance again.


    That's down to Ukraine not getting enough support.

    The West should be in it to win it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,758 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "Unless their army is killed or injured at a high enough number to prevent continuation, that's it."

    I don't think a blitzkrieg campaign by western supplied equipment is the only option open to Ukraine to end occupation of their country by putin. I'd argue that the numbers of putin's troops getting killed and injured is at a level that is unsustainable and now that Ukraine has developed its own long range strike capabilities there is going to be an additional weakening of the economy and morale in putin's empire so a withdrawal by putin from his recent conquests may come sooner than you would like as suggested by this article:

    Still Europe is sending out dated equipment to help contain putin's terrorists and I would suspect an amount of what goes to Ukraine from EU and NATO countries is not reported. The support Afghan forces got to supply their fight against occupation by the USSR was never made that public as far as I can recall but was still effective at making staying there unsustainable.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭zv2


    I believe they drink everything they can get their hands on. Brains eaten alive with chemicals.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    IIRC the male mortality and alcoholism levels is insane in Russia, long before any Ukrainian war, the video doesn't surprise at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's a great platform that along with the Saab cv90s are probably the best of the bunch in Ukraine, haven't seen too many reports of the tow missiles being used be interested to see how many they actually received



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's definitely not psyops, Ukraine is having issues I think overall all 2024 is going to be a very difficult year for them with supplies and ammunition types even zelensky himself said they are ok for about a month when it comes to air defences and other supplies, only yesterday they shotdown half of the latest drone attack and it was only a small amount of drones, but the days before they were boasting about a new tech that can take down Russian drone and how have thousands of these devices in service,but a few days later Russian drones come and yet get through the air defences and supposedly new electronic warfare systems,

    Mean while accounts are desperate to downplay Russian gains or advances but 2024 will be difficult with tough decisions having to be made and I think the lines will likely look the same bar a few advances here and there as they are now,

    When you hear a Former NATO commander and now president of the Czech republic say it's time to take off the rose tinted spectacles when it comes to this war it might be time to take note

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And that's the reality, Russia is swallowing itself, but that's not the way Putin sees it in the dream world he lives in, and while he's the boss that's the way it will be. Until saner heads prevail.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Can America not give Ukraine all the rest of their cluster bomb ammunition so? Since it's banned to use by America and it's not in Ukraine its 1 way to get rid of it all in one go and could really help Ukraine. Bit different then giving them supplies that congress won't give this might be different?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The US has supplied Ukraine with over 9,000 TOW missiles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They could if they choose to yes,Ive been saying this since early last year when it was announced they would send them a small amount and the usual types of replies later on was oh but Ukraine has millions of these cluster shells,no America has 4 million cluster munitions not Ukraine, just as bad as the number of Bradley's America has and is about to scrap but Ukraine got 90 and a handful of spares to replace the ones damaged or lost to Russia,

    They might be getting obselete and old greek military equipment now a Deal for new F16s to Greece and Turkey is about to be concluded and the Greeks have Penned a deal to F35s as well ,

    So that's more Soviet equipment to Ukraine

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Fair enough on the vehicles at the moment until congress sorted themselves out but shame couldn't make a case for Ukraine buying the 4 million cluster munitions even if sold them for 1 dollar per 1, just to say here we signed up to not have them so we sold them to Ukraine. Would be a massive help to Ukraine in the very short term.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,449 ✭✭✭zv2


    A bit of Polyfilla woulda held it for a while longer


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,729 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    ... or pay Ukraine for the 'disposal' of obsolete munitions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's not just the US either Australia just scrapped a fleet of helicopters modern MRH-90 Taipan helicopters ,Europen design similar to the US Blackhawks helicopters,the Ukrainians Officially requested to take the the helicopters, instead the Australians stripped the engines and transmissions, controls , blades to be sent to new Zealand and the fuselages are getting buried in the Australian desert,

    And on top of all of that you have Israel been giving top priority by the US over Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And for all the talk about Putins re-election being a done deal (and most likely it is), there will not be any more large scale mobilizations until after the election has taken place. So, Putin is having doubts about just how far he can push the Russian people.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Let's just ignore the key details.... the Ukrainian request to Australia came months after Australia begun stripping them for parts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They requested them last year....

    and it seems there wasn't 9000 tow missiles sent to Ukraine the consensus is between 1500- 2500 ,

    Details



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Perun always give good unbiased updates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Screenshot 2024-01-28 170450.png

    insane losses on the russian side in Avdiivka



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like Ukraine may have lost one of their latest skynex air defence systems only recently delivered..





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