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Heat Pump Running Costs

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  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭johndoe11


    It is the exact opposite of that with my system, you screw down those caps to decrease flow. Removal of the actuator opens the valve fully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Yes we know that. The point was yesterday he had all actuators off and no flow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    How long is it on, can take hours to go up a degree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭newhouse87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,343 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    was on over night but its a bit odd, the stat said 20.5 say but my own temp monitor was saying 22, i just looked at it now on home assistant(stat has been at 21 since i left this morning)

    maybe the stat is just in a bad spot!


    lot of glass in that room too so may be solar gain today



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Yeah see later, solar gain will def add couple degrees. Sounds alright to me if 22.5 since 5am, wouldn't have been solar gain at that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    @Cyrus your flow meters and the liquid in them looks very brown and rusty.... here is a picture of one my my flow meters, my system is realivley new at just over 2.5 years but somethings not right Id say with those pictures



    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,343 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    No…. 😕 the UFH loop/system is self-contained and contain an anti corrosion liquid you can see the colour of mine is a blueish as you can see. When I get my heat pump serviced my dude actually checks the % of this stuff in the system. I also have iron & manganese and I have hard water from my borehole. I have a treatment system to try and sort this and I have this brown dirt in the filter as well. But once the UFH loop is filled then apart from maybe a quick boost to build back up the pressure (one or twice in the first year, hardly any time the second year)

    No.1 job I think is to get this flushed and fill it back up with the good stuff.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    I've got the supply line down to 26 degrees with the temperature outside at 11 or so degrees. Having said that the house is still consuming 18 to 30 kWh each day over the past week. Without a Shelly EM I can only assume it's the heat pump. Is there anything wrong with the settings in the photos below? It's Thermia ITEC Eco 8kW heat pump. I'm running 1 open loop setup with the UFH.


    Post edited by ColemanY2K on

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



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  • Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭johndoe11


    You should have a look through these forums, loads of specific queries related to thermia heat pumps. My heat pumps is also swedish and couldn't find much on it anywhere else.

    https://www.varmepumpsforum.com/vpforum/index.php?board=34.0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,343 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    The blue stuff is glycol I think so does the heatpump and rad heating water never mix? So could have the ufh flushed on its own (and not bother with the rads that dont need it) I had assumed the rust was coming from the towel rails as the rads are aluminium.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 johnmphelan


    Have people recommendations on brand for heat pump systems? We've had Dimplex for 9 years and it's now dead, the heat pump that is! Hoping to replace whole thing now on principle that it should have lasted at least 12 to 15 years! Serviced every year too! 😒



  • Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭Curiousness99


    We had a NIBE, installed 20 years ago, very reliable and probably spent about 2k on maintenance over the last 10 years, just replaced with another one, not because it died but part of a major upgrade generally and advice from installer that it would start costing more to service and a newer one a good bit more efficient (partly due to getting a hot water tank half the size)

    we had a lower cost option of refurbing the existing one but grant considerations made it more compelling to go for new one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Eleusis


    Is it only the outdoor unit that needs replaced? The indoor cylinder and heat exchanger, is that good for longer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭staples7


    Mind me asking what it costs to install a replacement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭staples7


    Thats pretty poor, have had a Mitsubishi Ecodan for 7 years. all going well touch wood. Hasn't been service in over 2 years so need to get on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Eleusis


    Who services your ecodan? Only one I can see after quick search is in Cork.

    Mine is 1.5 years old now. Presume I should get it serviced



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    i would get on that asap if i was you, as the warranty is void if the ecodan isn't serviced annually.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    The heat pump at the moment is barely ticking over. The house consumed 15.5kWh and 16.5kWh on Saturday and Sunday respectively.

    The task of insulating the attic is complete. This time last month when there was no insulation over our heads there were days the house drew 60kWh from the grid. The HP was going red in the face lol.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Need to get a CT on the heatpump. Would you have mhvr?



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Bought a Shelly and a few smart plugs the other day. One of the plugs is for the MVHR with the shelly lined up for the HP.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Wired up the shelly this evening. Having all kinds of trouble trying to get it connected to the home network. It just won't do it.

    Aside from that the good news is that I can see the data when I connect the WiFi directly to the shelly. From 6pm to midnight the heat pump used 2.5kWh. A very rough pro rata over 24 hours = 10kWh. The house in total when using the same rough pro rata is calculated to use 15.6kWh.

    Looking at ESBN data, each day in the month of February has hovered between 14 and 30kWh with the mean being 20 or €6 per day.

    Heading away tomorrow for a week. I've left the heating as is and just turned off hot water. It's driving me mad I won't know what's been happening with the heat pump on a daily basis until I return.

    P.S. curiosily there's a flow of power away from the heat pump when there's no call for heat. A fairly constant 6 watts. I thought at first I attached the CT incorrectly but it quickly reversed itself when the heat pump kicked in.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    The insulation made massive difference to you, same as i noticed in my sitting room a year ago, now its probably my warmest room after adjusting flow rates a little the other day as bedroom's at 21/22 same as living areas so reduced flow to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭FastFullBack




  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Shelly EM. 120A CT connected to incoming mains in the distribution board and similarly a 50A CT connected to the Heat Pump MCB.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    The house feels much more comfortable. Having said that February has been very mild and it's hard to know what the heat pump will be like when the next cold spell arrives. Fingers crossed I don't see 60kWh days ever again!

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    we're away for a week having left last Friday. before we went i switched off the option to heat hot water as we wouldn't be needing it but left the heating alone. prior to leaving the heat pump was using circa 10kWh in a 24 hour cycle. unfortunately i couldn't connect shelly to my home network before leaving so i'm blind to the heat pumps usage since however from looking at the data from ESB's HDF file i can see overall consumption for the house per day since we left is roughly 4 to 5kWh per 24 hour period or 0.21kWh per hour which is really low and i'm delighted with.

    however, i'm struggling to make sense of the low usage if the heat pump is still coming on for heating. is heating the water in the tank when we're there really contributing to the bulk of the heat pumps power consumption? last week before we left the heat pump would come on for 25 minutes and then go off for 30 minutes and repeat this cycle throughout the day. what i don't know is how many times its coming on to heat the tank and how many times its coming on for heating in general.

    the tank is 180 litres and i wouldn't consider our usage of water to be extreme (2 adults + toddler). what are other heat pump users seeing in kWh to heat hot water daily?

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    It's been a lot warmer too this week.

    Possibly your solar is also covering any heatpump use



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  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    that could be the case for sunday but on saturday solar only produced 1.7kWh and yet the HDF file shows total consumption at 6.5kWh which suggests the Heat Pump is not pulling all that much from the grid. do you know how many kWh are used to heat your hot water?

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭keno-daytrader


    I have a 200l tank and use about 2kWh per day on hot water not including heat. (heatpump)

    ☀️ 7.8kWp ⚡3.6kWp south, ⚡4.20kWp west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,343 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    My HP used 9kWh yesterday and 7 the day before that for both heating and HW, thats a reflection of the mild weather im sure. It was 21 earlier in the month in a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Yep mine is trending down to now around 11kWh/day (7 day moving average)

    220m2 A1 house (A2 without the PV)


    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Heat pump didn't need to come on at all sunday and used 6kwh for dhw/heating Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    What temperature do you set your thermostats at in your house? Ours are at between 22 and 23. I'm always too warm, and heat pump on amd off all day and night.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Yeah if only it was that simple ha. Herself likes it toasty. She'd have it higher if she could, I'd have it lower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,343 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    21 degrees downstairs and 20 upstairs (19 in our bedroom actually )



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Ah that complicates things.

    I living room is at 21, hall is about 19-20 (runs the length of house, bungalow), kitchen 20/21

    Rest of rooms are about 18c



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    22 we have all our living areas and recently altered flow rates to bed rooms to lower them to 19/20. Again herself likes it 22 and i have to admit watching tv in 22 in shorts and t shirt pretty comfy. My friend has his at 24, the warmer you have it the more your body will get used to and want that heat. Anything below 21 sitting idle like watching tv i consider bit chilly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    24c😯 !!! jaysus I woudl love to see his electricty bill... as mentioned above my house is a fairy well built house triple glazing all windows, 200mm cavity insulation, MHRV, etc etc airtightness of less than 2 and I know if I have any stat set at 24 degs my heating would be on all day long...I even notice a difference setting at 21 degs it woudl be on a lot more. The most I have any room is 20.5 deg and the bedrooms at 19.

    22 degs I think is too high, sneak it down to 21.5 and after a week or two down to 21, early on what I got a lot from my missus was she was saying she didnt believe the what the room stat was telling her (it wasnt calibrated!!)...so I got a few zigbee temp sensors and now I can say look the room stat is saying its 21degs and the temp sensor is saying its 21 degs arguement over

    (just noticed my living room sensor is gone off line)


    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    How do you calibrate the stats? I'm convinced my sitting room one is giving wrong reads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Im sure there is a way to calibrate but I dont know or do it, I have the independant zigbee temp sensors and they are usaully within 0.5 deg of the room stat so that keeps me happy. My Heat pump service dude every year checks the settings of every stat as well so that another thing.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    If you get another sort of temperature monitor, I used aqara ZigBee ones as I already had the hub for the blind motors.

    I got the tvoc one as it has a E ink screen, I could compare the tado reading Vs the aqara one.

    I also had a third IKEA one I was playing with and that agreed with the aqara one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    24 is mental and i keep telling him.His house is 600sq ft smaller then mine but his bills are bit higher. Yeah 21 would probably be fine and lower my bills alright but im running for set period and fixed flow so im happy enough with it at the moment. Its 22 in living areas from say 5pm onwards earlier if sunny outside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,343 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    mine are joule stats and i noticed my aqara sensors were giving much higher temps so i went into the service menu and changed, they were set to read 4 degrees under!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭staples7


    hot water is ticking over with pretty high consumption during the summer averaging above 5kwh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    I have 4 adults in the house and my two kids (20 and 18!) LOVE to have long showers..., they could be in there 20-25 mins no problem and sometimes twice a day. I decided early on that I would not be the arsehole dad telling them to get out of the shower you are long enough in there. Spent enough years using **** electric power showers that trickled down you back going from freezing to scalding so I let them at it. I have a 300 litre tank so they have yet to run that dry and my HP heats the hot water on demand. Again I could schedule this to only come on at night rate but I have PV and I do encourge them and myself if there is excess to have the shower then. Its luxury that I think is worth it.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭staples7


    ya similar situation to mine, the hot water does its own thing. have yet to run out. 5 in the house, long showers baths. etc etc. but averaging 2-3kwh

    Not a huge difference but just wondering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭feelings


    220 litre tank here, heating to 45 degrees and we run out of hot water a lot 2 adults, 2 kids. A2W takes 30-45 mins at least to top it back up to 45 degrees. Is this not normal?



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