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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Sure is, leading to a drastic change in the demographic. I myself think it's sad myself, a place i would not want to visit really if I was a tourist but that's my opinion. Some might have a different opinion to me but I suppose it's something we have to deal with now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,411 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Ah no, It's only if they are violent and causing trouble before getting on a flight. Violent offenders get deported, they're not always violent!

    Sure a harmless fella could start kicking off before a flight, the pilot won't let them on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    That's it really — it is galling to see on this thread, day in day out, the almost wholesale dismissal of the larger context in which the rise on refugee numbers has occurred. You would think from many of the voices on here that we have been experiencing hugely elevated numbers of refugees for years and years...and that it is all purely by policy design. In reality, there is an abundantly clear wider context at play. It wasn't handled perfectly well, and while certain things could have been managed better, it is difficult to imagine how people genuinely believe that (here I go again) the largest displacement of people in Europe since the Second World War could somehow have been wonderfully and perfectly contained and handled — particularly in the context of the fact that this is our first experience of something like this.

    But hey, come back tomorrow and it will be the ever-spinning reel of which government official, NGO, blue haired trans person, quisling, traitor, snowflake, random lad from Albania, hotel owner or Soros-like shadowy puppeteer is to blame for the fact that sometimes the events of the world aren't always capable of being managed to perfection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We can try blame Ukraine but in the next 18 + months we could easily have the same numbers before we get to the Ukrainian situation, but again this is just another attempt to downplay the story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Not to mention certain people and companies making massive money out of this crisis. Charity and humanitarian are words that don't fit for most. none of these are the real reasons were seeing so many willing to fill hotels and hostels. I wonder how many places would be filled if it wasn't as lucrative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,210 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Marion Harkin made some good points onThe Tonight Show last night about the numbers coming with no documents.

    She wanted to say more as well but Claire Brock decided to cut to an ad break just at that moment for some strange reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Absolutely,

    It's all about profits and how much we can screw the taxpayers for ,it's cheaper and easier just to turn people around at the airport



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Couldn't do that, what would the likes of the healy rays, Developer's and the likes do with all the properties they have bought. They must of got some kind of guarantee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Don't you just hate it when immigrants come over here to Ireland and lecture us on how to handle immigrants.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    No that's a lazy response - most reasonable people have no difficulty with sheltering war refugees from Ukraine a) as long as they are genuine refugees and b) they return when the shitshow is over.

    The concern is with the rapid general rise in non nationals and in particular the 15,000+ asylum applicants expected annually.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    So true, how anyone can listen to that lucky what ever his name is ,is well beyond me. Shouldn't of even been let stay someone stated now he's telling us how bad our system is. Hate it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,210 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Agree, but the only plus side is when lucky is on spouting his usual bad country for not housing every migrant and not keeping their obligation BS I think more and more people can see what a total chancer he is and also why the likes of RTE when highlighting issues of immigration are totally swayed to one side.

    Realistically with RTE they can't bite the hand that feeds them now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    What's come is nothing compared to what's coming from the 3rd world unless we catch the hell on pronto. Climate change is like pouring petrol on the fire for immigration. Unless the present and coming government take action we will see a far right government in power here in the next 20 years time of that there is no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Carlito Brigantes Tale


    She knows which side her bread is buttered.

    It's going to become increasingly hard for the media and government to keep a lid on it though. That said McEntee''s coming anti free speech bill will attempt (and fail) to do just that. FG/FF are in a hole and they might be just stupid enough to keep digging tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Feking foreigners coming here and daring to speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,331 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    No guarantee this refugee / immigration stuff will be dominating the news cycle in June when the European and local elections take place. It might well do, but it could just as easily have dropped off the radar by then to be replaced by something else....nobody can tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    The numbers this government are talking about taking I think it’s going to get alot bigger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's not going away no matter how much you keep trying to downplay it , its going to get a hell of a lot worse, and our useless Leadership Just keep hoping it just goes away , no

    There needs to be serious political change in this country, before predictions of us of becoming a minority in our own country by 2050 come through



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Yep. The only people swallowing the line that its ok for literally thousands of young migrant men from the third world with unknown criminal record to get on an airline with identification and then arrive at Dublin airport with no identification are the Greens, the NGO's and many mainstream media commentators. Literally not one person on the street thinks this is ok. The disconnect between the ordinary people and the "elites" on this is just staggering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,331 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The anti-immigration people still need events to be happening for it to be dominating the news headlines i.e. protests, clashes with Gardai, heavy criticism of government etc. Five months is a very long time in politics : it might still be a big story, it might not be at all, it's far from clear. It could just as easily fall off the radar as gather momentum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Great news everyone. Govt will be giving us a lecture c/o (the wonderful bestie of Peter Sutherland) Catherine Day from Montrosia tomorrow. She'll be chauffeured in from her mansion to tell us that we have it all wrong and we must do more.

    Government trying absolutely everything...bar actually solving the problem - Every single advisor to the Govt should be sacked, they are idiots.



    Meanwhile down at FG HQ -


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37 qwertyuiopa


    I've a feeling that the likes of FF,FG and SF will start talking tough on immigration as the election cycle approaches. Of course they'll have absolutely no intention of changing the status quo when/if elected.

    It remains to be seen how many people fall for their crap, but I think a lot of the people complaining will end up voting the same way they always have(hope I'm wrong).

    In some ways I've more respect for the likes of the green/SD and Labour parties. At least you know exactly what you'll get if you do vote for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭LongfordMB


    On that point, do we know what are the criteria for acceptance or rejection for someone coming from say Algeria or Pakistan? I have a very bad feeling that Carmel, a middle aged woman in the department, basically decides based on whether he "seems nice".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    No councillor has been thrown out of any party yet.

    No one arrested over the fires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭LongfordMB


    If you believe roderic o Gorman 15k is the new normal..so trying to squeeze them in all over the country will definitely keep this in the headlines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,331 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The only two times immigration hit the headlines in the last month or so was Ballinrobe and Roscrea, two specific incidents involving protests, one which featured clashes with Gardai. Outside of this, there wasn't a whole load of traction in the news cycle concerning immigration and refugees. It's far from a given that this is going to dominate the news for the whole of 2024 or be the No.1 issue in the summer elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭LongfordMB



    Maybe you mean RTE headlines. But there's clearly a deliberate editorial decision there to downplay local protests. It's the mainstream media just ignoring something hoping it will go away. But it won't, trust me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    People have been discussing for the last 2 years and it's increasing its the biggest news and political issues for the last few months....

    I'd swear your a TD or party official by the amount of effort you've have put into downplaying this whole discussion, despite everything proving your claims wrong



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