Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Great. Not sure if you're aware but the oul refugees would be a hot enough topic in the UK and France too and they aren't likely to just happily accept a world where Ireland just bats refugees back at them and says "f**k you this is your problem". Would be great if they did, but the vast majority of attempts to return refugees to another EU country fail — because politically those countries have their own vested interests and numbers to handle.

Your solution presumes that other countries will just happily and gladly let us push it all back on them. I know it's frustrating, but the world around us doesn't just fall into line to our permanent benefit.

This article was posted on the prev page

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/over-23000-illegal-immigrants-refused-30350926

The Justice Minister stated:

"Immigration officials conduct passport checks and run operations as required to ensure passengers arriving in the State are properly documented.

"When a person is refused to leave to land at Dublin Airport the Immigration Officer will arrange for the person to be referred to the Garda National Immigration Bureau for removal from the state.

"The priority is to return them on the next available return flight to the last point of embarkation.

So it's either all fine with no problems and SOP, or Helen is lying through her face

I'm going with the latter - They are all lying and spoofing - We saw Leo's letter to the Sindo last week was demolished by NT's Barry Whyte showing huge discrepancies between LV's comments and reality

Achieving this requires collaboration though. The more the EU states co-operate on this, the more efficient the process for deportations can become. Yes, sanctioning states of origin is something that could be done but it's also difficult to envisage how you practically or ethically sanction countries where refugees are fleeing from. I mean, are we going to sanction Afghanistan, Ukraine etc?

The better solutions lie in actually working positively with these countries to offer quid pro quo incentive for accepting deportations from Europe. This also means aiding the front line EU states through financing and through the equitable sharing of a burden that realistically can never be fully eliminated.

But read the bit in bold again — what is the plain English meaning of that statement? The priority is to put them on the next available flight — well of course that's the priority. I don't see where they are denying the practical, administrative and legal difficulties of actually successfully deporting someone. A priority it may be — but it's not always easy to achieve and we are far from from the only developed country to struggle with this. It's not exactly a buried mystery that deportation figures are relatively low.

One thing I would say though is that this problem, on this kind of scale, is a relatively new experience for Ireland. It has been unprecedented and has exposed inadequacies in our processes and approaches — but that is the nature of emergencies and crises.

The new EU pact on migration and asylum has a lot of stuff that are steps in the right direction. Amnesty International hates it — but obviously this isn't going to stop the incessant whining on this thread that the authorities are open border loony lefties who are directed by shadowy NGOs . . .

Also utterly unrelated -

Some genius in government decided to pay full welfare to Ukrainians and turned Ireland into a magnet for them.

Helen the genius decided to give everyone in direct provision an amnesty coz covid was tough on em.

Roderick the genius tweeted that he wants everyone who lands to have keys to their own pad after 4 months.

Who could've guessed what'd happen?!!

obviously this isn't going to stop the incessant whining on this thread ....

And yet they keep on spoofing nothing to see here folks keep moving along.

Then the minister went on with this, the second last paragraph is especially interesting, it was all in answer to a question from Peadar Toibin.... "Both the BMU and the GNIB are working with airlines and international colleagues to take measures both at domestic airports and points of embarkation to address this issue. In addition to providing advice to airlines on specific queries, training is provided to airline ground staff on current travel documentation requirements. As can be seen from the figures below, the number of undocumented arrivals has reduced significantly this year.

If a person indicates or is identified as being in need of international protection they are admitted to the international protection process. However, they will still be recorded as a refusal of leave to land.

Statistics are not available in the manner requested for airports other than Dublin Airport."

BS

I wonder will what's emerged about afd, make other countries think twice about a shift to the right?

It seems they weren't just planning to deport migrants, but any citizen they deemed not to be properly integrated.

Scary stuff. Plenty of scope there to ship off any political opponents, journalists, someone a high ranking afd member had a grudge against, etc.

And that's not a far-right bogey man. That's what's happening in a EU neighbor right now.

Unless they were actually German

It is not a criminal offence to try and enter a country without a passport : you cannot be fined or jailed for such a thing. Let's say you are going to Paris or Berlin for a trip and your passport falls out of your pocket as you cross the tarmac to board the plane - French or German police can't fine you or haul you before a court if you arrive at their end minus your passport.

It's a criminal offense to enter Ireland without a passport, is that what you're saying?

Yes it's it ,