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Calf to beef thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭Grueller


    @tractorporn How did the cows go today for you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Ah middling enough, I averaged around €1400 I kinda was hoping for more but such is life. The other lad selling had 40 Charolais and Limousin cross cows and he got over 2k for nearly them all, mine were Angus Cross and just didn't have the same weight on them. My blue cows did best for me alright and I ended up bringing home 3 cows that I was only getting 650 for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The only way organic milk replacer will be a game changer is if you are allowed rear ordinary calves on it and change there status to organic if they are reared organically from 3-4 weeks of age

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Expecting a four fold increase in organic beef by 2030:

    Certainly most sucklers would need to be switching to make that happen. Not many dairy farms have gone organic. Would be delighted if they opened that option Bass, but I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Well currently you have to feed whole milk for 12 weeks so baby steps. You are allowed to convert non organic calves of the continent but not allowed here by the Department.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭kk.man


    That's mad..I didn't know that. Like farmer buys a three week calf being fed organic feed most of its life, kills at 28 odd months but doesn't qualify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,619 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Why are there two different conditions between the rest of the EU and here. That doesn't make sense when we produce over 2 million calves on an island?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yes, there are differences between us and other countries in organic detail. Tractotporn may know more, the other one I am aware of is in seed. any seed in Ireland that's not organic needs a derogation whilst in other countries, once the seed mix is over 70% organic there is no need. I think there may be differences in slurry also. not to derail the thread. Having the calves staying on whole milk on an organic dairy farm would be economic lunacy with winter/spring organic milk at 60c/l. That means a lot of organic male calves from dairy herds are sold conventionally, IWT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The complete Irish organic scheme is a hard ask. A lotbof organics will be in non tillage areas. The insistence of a significant lie back area which in most cases will have to be straw bedded. Looking at the cost of straw

    It's seems to be 40-50/ 4X4bale in tillage area so adding transport will add about 15/bale to that. With a lot of projected farms being in poorer land area which will have long winters it easy to see straw costs of several thousand

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 cupacoffee


    Organic milk replacer I hear is €6000/ tonne or €1.20/ litre fed so that’s quite a tab to run up for a little calf



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,619 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Also add in the straw incorporation scheme which reduces the number of round/square bales that are available for bedding let alone feeding.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think 1:20 slope on the floor really helps reduce the amount of bedding needed. Some people baling rushes, what we cut 50 years ago. May have been on this thread, someone was putting down a layer of wool first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Department make the rules and the Department make sure the organic bodies implement them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Well both organic bodies are taking on staff, if anyone feels its a cushy number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Got the calves out today for a few hours great to see them picking on a bit of grass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭148multi


    Don't get hung up on the straw bedded area, plenty of lads giving an acre beside shed and no bother from the societys or department with it.

    Don't know where they are going to sell all this beef.

    It was only a few years ago you were allowed to enter on a points system, sheep no points, beef 10 points, dairy 20 points, tillage and horticulture 30 points.

    It seems the dept now want to use the scheme to stop farmers using chemical fertilizer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭jfh


    Lads, looking for a bit of advice here, bought fr bulls last weekend, all feed for the first few days, but this morning, one calf didn't come up to the feeder, coaxed him but reluctant to suck, looks empty and cold. Any advice on what I should do with him, I have a few calf jackets so going to stick one on later and give him life aid, he doesn't have a scour. Probably 3 weeks old, he came off an automatic feeder and I'm feeding him twice a day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,619 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Did you take his temperature? Does he suck your finger? Is he bloated? Is he pulling on the wind/breathing fast/noisy? Has he an unpleasant smell from his mouth/brownish looking tongue? Has he a swelled navel? Is he star gazing/standing with his head stuck in the corner of the pen?

    Best advice is put the jacket on him asap, bed up your trailer/back of your van and bring him to your Vet for proper advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭jfh


    Thanks base price, left for work for the day but plenty to check there when I get home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,619 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Try to get him to your Vet if you can when you finish work. IMO you have to think about his value in the future and keeping him thriving. He is going to cost you more than his present value if goes on the knackery lorry.

    I bought three cracking FR bull calves for €20/hd in late January and also bought six HEx calves (4 heifers & 2 bulls) for €145/hd plus luck money from the same farm. I don't differentiate within breeds when it comes to feeding and Veterinary care. At the end of the day they all cost the same to rear/feed with CMR, crunch/pencils, bedding, vaccines etc.

    Remember the knackery lorry ain't going to pay you when it comes into your yard to collect fallen stock but waits for you to sign the cheque.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Everything about calves is speed of action, a calf that is sick will go down hill fast. Its immaterial whether an a calf costs 20 or 500 euro in many cases the potential margin is virtually the same.

    Buy a digital thermometer in a pharmacy if you have not got one. Write the healthy temperature of animals in a bit of paper, I cannot remember it so Google it. The first thing sith any sick calf is take his temperature. Early intervention is everything. When you take an animal to the vet or if the vet calls make sure you are there and watch, listen and ask questions.

    Infections spread fast and what is one sick calf can quickly be a bunch of sick calves. The knackery truck will charges 30-50/ calf to collect its 100 for 2-3 of them.

    A vet will charge 30-80 euro depending on whether you bring the calf to him or he come to the farm. He is expensive if the calf dies so the earlier he comes the better chance of not having a vets and a knackery bill.

    Remember the thermometer

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    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,833 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,619 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    @jfh how is the calf this evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Spot on there. Thermometer is a key. Be careful though leaving them in cold sheds as the batteries go quick in them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,368 ✭✭✭jfh


    Much better thanks, but the jacket on him and gave him one of those calf saver shots, feed the following morning no issues. Will keep an eye on hik



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Not sure if this should be here or in labour saving but this was the best €10 I've spent in screwfix so far. Its a bit for mixing paint.

    Mixing is a breeze, only takes 20 seconds and never any tiny lumps which the whisk was leaving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭emaherx


    First batch of calves landed here yesterday.

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    I setup a new water heater this morning.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Lovely shine on those calves.

    Where did you pick up the heater? Looks a good job. I've seen some camping ones and I was wondering if they would be strong enough for this job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Yes, it's an outdoor / camping one from Amazon. Working fine so far but I guess time will tell just how up to the job it is.



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