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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,046 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'm sure that since Trump is such a great deal-maker, he can make a deal in a day with Russia, as he's claimed. Just tell Putin he'll turn Moscow into a sheet of radioactive glass if Russia doesn't withdraw its forces immediately.

    Actually, if he could do that and get away with it, I'd say he did a great job. But I suspect any deal he'd try to do would involve allowing Russia to have what they hold, and some pretty flimsy security guarantee to Ukraine in exchange for accepting this. Because Trump has banged the drum on NATO contributions by ally nations, he might use coming good on that guarantee as a bargaining chip to get those allies to pay up. Not that if any nations aren't paying their fair share, they shouldn't be, but using it as a bargaining chip for helping defend Ukraine in a time of need wouldn't be too classy. But that's only a supposition. If he were to bring the issue up at the time of negotiating a security guarantee for Ukraine and let it be known then, I'd say fair enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    More on the Bashkortostan protests.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Here's the thing about security guarantees, NATOs mutual defence is pretty based on hold off an attack for a few days until the Americans come to the rescue,we know two years later into the invasion of Ukraine the majority of Nato countries aren't meeting the 2% of gpd spending on defence, now we have the likes of Germany and France playing off against each other, elsewhere countries are complaining about Germany announcing different funds for Ukraine despite agreements in place for it all to be done jointly, France decided to announce today that they were producing 72 Ceasar artillery systems for Ukraine but NATO /EU countries have to pay for them but nobody actually ordered 72 of them. It's a very fractured approach to helping Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not trying to frighten anyone who is planning on flying anywhere in the near future...especially if you are travelling on any Russian planes




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,782 ✭✭✭yagan


    A general Russian collapse would be the preference to a direct NATO conflict as it would remove having to commit boots on the ground which in turn would create years of grinding Russian guerrilla warfare.

    The big mistake in Iraq was taking out Saddam's entire power structure in the belief that only good things would fill the vacuum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,005 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    NATO and Russia are never going to enter direct full conflict, that's because Russian forces would be vaporised in a short period and they'd have to resort to the nuclear option. Russia has almost zero domestic defence because no one actually wants to invade the country (it's a myth created by Putin to validate his expansionist moves). Only have to see how far Prigozhin made it in 24 hours to know any outcome in that regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I thought a lot more of the European members budgets are getting towards the 2 % of GDP now? Not quick enough but then can wasted defence ministries and shrunken militaries properly spend vast amounts of new money dumped on them too quickly - would they just waste it without being built up to handle it?

    The EU is the mechanism for working together.

    New defence cooperation, new Russia sanctions, additional shared/EU level aid to Ukraine all require unanimity (edit: or at least no veto) in the European Council and there is a rogue actor there (Hungary).

    Attempted cooperation between the countries outside the EU is going to be slower and messier and probably cost more.

    They have to debate over structure and the mechanisms as well as more of the details, so expect fracture.

    e.g. Germany and to lesser extent France provide huge chunk of the EU money. Absent that if they are setting up some new shared systems (with them contributing again) there is going to be new debate over what it does, whose industries money can go to etc. (not Hungary one would hope for example!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    Yes, there is footage of him with them all sat round the table with him, signing to forms

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That breakdown contains the most bizarre, surreal use of the word "artisanal" I've seen since it became the chosen wording used by hipster 1st world retail startups.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    If Biden can bypass Congress, why does he?

    Letting the lend lease expire without a single piece of equipment send under it was a bad choice. They knew funding was running out and they would be locked into negotiations with the GOP. Likewise, why doesn't NATO countries allow Ukraine buy what equipment it needs? I know some self propelled artillery Ukraine has actually bought from France etc... but why not allow Ukraine to just order a dozen stormshadow missiles when it needs to, add on a few dozen long range missiles for the HIMARS etc..

    Even through their own United 24 fundraising, Ukraine has raised close to $600 million. Money doesn't seem to be the issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    By the book.... Apart from bypassing Congress for sales of bombs for Israel.

    I'd say the GOP have no problem with just delaying and delaying hoping Trump gets back in.

    Another strange one is, I believe the majority in the GOP actually support funding Ukraine, how or why did they elect a speaker without some guarantee he would not delay Ukrainian funding bills?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Oh, in Russia "artisanal" literally means taking a hammer to a sealed part with " do not open, factory disassembly only" clearly displayed on it." and hammering off the seal, and then opening the part. I kid you not. I personally held the ladder for one aircraft engineer, while he did precisely that on the engine of an IL76 cargo plane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yes, would still say they are trying to do it by the book...those who would uphold the law (democracy and proper separation of powers as part of that) can't be seen to break it themselves when it is threatened, as it is in the US now. Would agree the US has been too slow and cautious generally about aiding Ukraine though.

    On the Republican politicians (the more sane ones that still support Ukraine) I think they care much more about making the Democrats and Biden look very bad in the election year, generating chaos in the US government, and paving the way for their hero to get back into power and become the US "dictator for 1 day" (lol).

    IMO they would happily see Putin roll over and crush Ukraine and would not shed even a crocodile tear for the casualties if that got them Trump back in the Whitehouse in exchange.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ha. I'd well believe it.. I swear to god there's a legitimate thread to be had just filled with your anecdotes of life in Russia and environs. Your life/career appears to be more storied and interesting than mine or most of us on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 Otagepingi


    Ukraine cannot beat/hold off Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭vswr


    the money will get from the US to Ukraine, it's just a matter of how and when.

    It's election year, so Biden will be careful of all the optics... I still reckon though, even with a republican vote of approval, there'll be republican ads of "Jo Biden sends your money to corrupt Ukrainians without asking... vote republican" during the campaign later in the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    7 out of 30 countries have met the requirement Poland is the standout but they have been spending and planning to modernize pre Ukraine invasion



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But the majority of countries are not meeting spending requirements all the graphs in the world won't change that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's simple NATO spending requirements are not being met by the majority of Nato countries, showing a graph showing US military spending from 1950 -2021 lined up against Russia and NATO isn't the same thing,

    It's previously been documented on here 7 countries met the spending requirements a year after the invasion of Ukraine,



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,900 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    One would have thought that a newspaper would be able to use apostrophes correctly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 Otagepingi


    Bound for stalemate, with a negotiated settlement.



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