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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's basically scaremongering when you see the extremes being touted.

    Much harder to show it happening in very similar countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    This has been happening for year, MNC convert to software development etc and the skills and labour are not available. Been part of the Europe union is a great plus here as we can bring in people from all over Europe and Ireland is an attractive country to move to.

    No point building houses if you have no people and no jobs for them at the end of the building project. At the moment we are just on catch up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody, not a single one is advocating turning backs to FDI.

    This is just totally disingenuous debating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    No, as I have pointed out we are actually falling behind relative to Europe in terms of things like basic household consumption per capita.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sinn Fein are, have been for years. Mary Lou was running after the Apple money when she had no idea it wasn't even Ireland if Apple lost the case.

    Even high level execs in these companies are the target for Pearse and his "tax the worker" nonsense

    Incompetence runs deep in the party as I already posted.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭pureza


    Lol,Deloitte and most of those companies don't expect corporate tax to rise if there's a Sinn Féin government

    That tit bit shouldn't be cherry picked without reference to their fears and whole of sector fears that are real and omnipresent

    They and their like are very concerned on personal taxes rising and Employer taxes making us much less competitive relative to now

    But honestly Sinn Féin still have a year to pirouette on those which in their dizzy fashion shouldn't surprise

    Being all things to all men at the moment is their priority ,a staple of permanent opposition that in careful what you wish for mode would be found out real quick when the moneys not there,just like the builders aren't

    Exciting times ahead for politics watchers in that respect if they get enough votes but nirvana,no



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    If you google and trawl the web long enough you will find some random statistic that you think is relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    However if it was that easy would you yourself, by now, not have come up with some facts and figures to back up your claims?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    That we should continue to look for investment and hire people?

    That just common sense. Fire ahead and spend the day on google but honestly I don't have the time to find some pointless waffle which has no relevance. Maybe if I was part of Sinn Fein supporters club, most of them seem to have an extraordinary amount of time to post online while claiming to be working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Where have SF talked about turning their backs on FDI?

    Nowhere.

    Have SF talked about a fairer more equitable tax system...yes they have.

    You don't have to agree with it, you just have to fess up to the fact they are not advocating turning their backs on FDI.

    I'd call that incompetent scaremongering because there isn't a hope you can back it up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    But I'm afraid it does have relevance and is probably the reason that Sinn Fein has gone from fringe to threatening to upset the FF/FG dominated political scene that's existed for decades. The basic amount of money people have to play around with hasn't gone up the way they've been told and hasn't gone up relative to other EU countries.

    I'm not a supporter of Sinn Fein and I think they will probably make things worse. But the blame for them getting in lies with FF and FG pursuing outdated policies that no longer work for the benefit of the whole country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,958 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You haven't put forward a single alternative, nor have you shown that Sinn Fein, the subject of this thread are putting forward any alternative.

    Ireland is not investing enough in attracting the new FDI into areas like climate change mitigation, AI etc. That is the evolving policy that the current government is working towards. There isn't a single new idea to bring Ireland forward in anything that Sinn Fein have said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    My purpose, however, is not to support Sinn Fein. In fact I have said earlier I don't support them. My purpose is to point out failings in the mainstream parties that are contributing to a possible Sinn Fein win in the next election. The basic message of the mainstream parties is "you've never had it so good" but the reality on the ground is quite different for a lot of people.

    In terms of the thread topic and how Sinn Fein can form a government, I think they can do so by highlighting these issues. Show that the currently in terms of what people the money people have to play around is not that great compared to many EU countries and getting worse relative to those same countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,958 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    This is being discussed on another thread, about Ireland being not so rich etc. and to be honest, those putting forward your point of view have taken a hammering, because, believe it or not, people in Ireland have never had it so good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Emblematic



    Yes I would largely agree with this that it is "some" people. The problem is that the group that is benefiting is getting smaller and smaller and therefore political support for the mainstream parties is reducing. The policies did benefit most of the country at one point but as I have argued, you can't blindly support a narrow set of policies and expect them to work forever for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A poll recently showed that a large percentage would tolerate a cut in the price of their homes if it helped the housing crisis. It was met here with indignation and patronising 'they know not what they say' derision. These folk just cannot fathom that many people do not want to live in a 'have and not have' society even though they are those that 'have'. Sometimes they are prepared to take a cut if it is ultimately for the good.

    I'd love a government minister to come out with the 'you never had it so good' line in an election campaign. I think we know what would happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sinn Fein are relevant because some people are stupid enough to believe the noise coming from them. Reminds me of the Simpson episode when Homer becomes the person looking after rubbish. See how that turned out

    just look at Sinn Fein record in DCC when they took over.

    The “I’m not a Sinn Fein supporter” is thrown out daily, usual by accounts who spend all day defending them. I honestly couldn’t care who you vote for.

    if you want to discuss Sinn Fein policies, give me a shout , as you don’t support them I expect you will be able to pick the faults in them without been biased, I won’t hold my breath



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,573 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Its really hilarious when you think about it! FG in quite the quandry. Ok we will lose and alienate a huge amount of our younger vote. We are going to keep up this lunacy of unlimited and uncontrolled immigration, making the housing crisis worse and also just in general, really starting to get peoples backs up for multiple reasons. With their bullshit "we know best kids"...

    So they are losing a huge amount of votes, it now needs to turn into seat loses, its the only thing that MIGHT force them to stop ignoring a large part of the population who are totally screwed by this greed fetish, sorry , I meant housing crisis...

    these rip off homes also dont help people who want to move to a more expensive property. A small minority might be stuck in negative equity, only matters if they want to move. What does it do for old people? give them smug satisfaction that they home they will likely die in, is X?

    Nearly any fall out would be worth cheaper prices, brought about, I suggest, by increasing supply , making it cheaper to build and reducing taxes on building...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,573 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    yeah and some people are stupid enough to be believe the decades of noise coming from FFG. One we dont know what will happen. FFG are a proven farce, but I am sure one of their shiny new plans, will deliver any decade now...

    Some people were also stupid to believe FG would reward the early rises. FIFTY percent marginal tax rate over pittance, suggests otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    🤣

    more “fact” when it’s not a fact.

    ”scaremongering” get up the yard

    I provided the article and plenty of information on Mary Lou running after the apple money, calling for corporate tax to be increased. Saying MNC are not paying tax etc etc etc

    As I said, incompetent from the online supporters right up to the top.

    Next time you try attacking the poster instead of the post, try a little harder. Copy and paste didn’t work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Yet Ireland is a massively successful country, yes with problems, but massively successful

    Some people won’t be happy till the country is ruined and then tell us about great it was before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What does 'running after the Apple money mean? That case is still not settled.

    And you provided zero on SF 'turning their backs on FDI'

    Try again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    2011 and the New Politics nonsense. Multiple cock ups and failures since. And then somebody tries to make out only one party here is 'incompetent'. A party that has never been in power. Laughable really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,573 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Right. Will ffg ever sort the housing , health, law and order crisis etc? Nah didn't think so.... Will sf probably not, the ptiond we gave are abysmal, but telling ffg that constant endless failure will be rewarded at the ballot box, isnt a viable strategy either...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The sensationalism again.

    Has the country got problems, yes, it has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,958 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Except Fine Gael are not losing votes, they are still at the same level as the last general election.

    Get your facts right first, before making a point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Did they get rewarded at the ballot box last time? don't think so.

    Voting in a shower of incompetent TD's who you know are incompetent but they are a "change" isn't the answer either is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Im sure you will find out what it means on the many many google search you get up to.

    Already provided, as usual we don;t need 100 posts on every topic with your nonsense. Thank you

    Sinn Fein went into power in DCC, promising to build houses/apartments etc. Ended up by the end of term with less units than they started. Incompetent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,001 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    as usual we don;t need 100 posts on every topic with your nonsense. 

    Sure sign you know you have been caught out when you use this line.

    Whenever you find anything where SF say they will 'turn their backs on FDI' do post it.

    Sinn Fein went into power in DCC, promising to build houses/apartments etc. Ended up by the end of term with less units than they started. Incompetent.


    Someday google the differences between a sovereign government and a county council.

    So what does it mean when the government have promised again and again to sort out the problems here - they have had years to do it - problems still exist.

    Incompetent?



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