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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    No-one is. So what do we do? Not field wingers?


    I also don't particularly want to see Lowe coming straight in to play for Ireland with no game time, or one Leinster game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Yeah, swings and roundabouts. We could export back rowers at the moment, but a few injuries to the back three and we are in real trouble. Just a pity that Stockdale and Balacoune in particular seem to have stalled out in their development. Both had real promise. Then Conway forced into retirement and other than JOB that next generation not really delivering yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    With the level of training for Leinster and Ireland, plus he is supposed to start at weekend....also they normally have a behind the doors game with Ireland like they done before, I would expect if fit Lowe will start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Oh I half-expect it as well. But whether it's the best option,time will tell (if it happens).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    James Lowe on the wing is not going to be the winning or losing of the game in France I woudl expect.

    That will be the numbers 1-8



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,224 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Erm... Okay.


    I mean I don't disagree at all, but does that mean you don't worry about who lines out in the backs as long as you've a good pack?


    There are plenty of decisions that aren't the crucial factors in the winning or losing of the game that you still want to get right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭CONSI


    Listening to the Radio last night and they were giving serious thought and consideration to playing ringrose on the wing due to the injury crisis. This was to allow for Henshaw to come back into the centre. Are we that short on wingers that we would rather entertain the idea of bringing in an injury prone centre instead of giving the like of Nash or Balacoune or Daly, or a number of others a shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I'd rather an actual winger played on the wing and I have to be honest, I would be worried about Henshaw at this stage. I don't think getting him on the pitch is the slam-dunk it once was. The underlying assumption that it will be fine to move Ringrose, Henshaw will step in, is reflective more of his reputation than anything we've seen from him since the start of the RWC.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Benjamin Cold Sorbet


    Cian Treacy has a story today ahead of Farrell's expected confirmation as Lions head coach today.

    He reckons POC will join Farrell on the Lions coaching ticket, and Simon Easterby will be the Ireland interim head coach.



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  • Administrators Posts: 56,218 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Who was saying that?

    Aside from anything else, Henshaw's form is garbage and he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near an Ireland 23. The mind boggles that anyone would suggest moving Ringrose to the wing in order to accommodate him in the team.

    And, Ringrose is not a winger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    I'd be surprised if Borthwick is not named as forwards coach (again. Simon Easterby would be anointed as AF's natural successor in the longer term.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Administrators Posts: 56,218 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Oh, off the ball. Yea they're talking nonsense



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    they may have but the main suggestion came from a much more 'left wing' source



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ringrose started on the wing for Leinster, it's not a completely out there idea. I'm just not sure why you'd bother now with the form that Henshaw is in.



  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Benjamin Cold Sorbet


    It's pretty out there. He's been moved there in matches because of injury in recent times, but he hasn't started there for Leinster since the 2015/16 season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca




  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,833 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    hes stood in there in games previously as well..... but we must be in a very very unhealthy place of we have to shoehorn a 13 into wing due to the lack of options available.

    i dont think we're anywhere close to there to be honest. Nash, balacoune and Daly are all capped players who, after a good training camp, could be solid for the championship. Stockdale could feasibly move across at a push, and is in good form.

    Uncapped we have Russell, TOB, McIlroy and Kilgallon who are in good form. Plus i wouldnt yet discount J Osbourne as an option there either.

    i cant at all see a set of 12 Henshaw, 13 Aki, 14 Ringrose being any better than say, 12 Aki, 13 Ringrose, 14 Nash.

    the former has one player not in good form, and the other two playing in positions they dont play their best rugby in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Whilst I'd consider it unlikely, I wouldn't rule Ringrose out of playing on the wing entirely. He's moved there in the past for Ireland and moved there this season for Leinster too including the last 25 minutes away to LAR.

    It would be far less disruptive though to keep Ringrose at 13 and have a straight swap for Hansen. Given Hansen plays on the right wing for Ireland, I would say Stockdale's chances are significantly hindered at being the replacement given he plays almost exclusively on the left wing.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they make it a straight fight between 2-3 guys in training camp to prove themselves for the jersey and wouldn't rule out any back three player that's named in the squad.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I should clarify I neither expect it nor would advocate for it. But, if Henshaw was in better form, it would make sense in a "get your best players on the pitch" type of way. I think he is too important to our defensive shape to be moved though and, as mentioned, not sure what Henshaw brings to the table at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Lots of change happening in Irish rugby:

    2024 6N

    Sexton gone

    Earls gone

    Mick Kearney gone -Any word on his replacement?

    Nucifora effectively gone

    Humphrey’s coming

    2024 Tour to SA

    Catt going

    Goodman coming

    2024 Nov

    Farrell ‘gone’

    Easterby double jobbing

    POC, Fogarty, Goodman remaining

    2025 6N

    Farrell ‘gone’

    2025 Lions tour

    Farrell, POC going

    Fogarty going? Hammond going?

    Boat load of Irish players going? 15/16 players?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I think if we had two Ringroses one of them would be a permanent fixture on the wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Also Farrell starts his Lions gig in December so he'll still be with Ireland in the autumn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Interesting. Gatland handed the role to Howley in Sep 2012 and 2016.

    Ryan Baird, Finlay Bealham, Tadhg Beirne, Jack Conan, Caelan Doris, Tadhg Furlong (if he's still standing), Iain Henderson (?), Ronan Kelleher, Joe McCarthy, Andrew Porter (A Jack McGrath in waiting), James Ryan, Dan Sheehan, Josh van der Flier, Bundee Aki, Ross Byrne (?), Jack Crowley, Jamison Gibson-Park (?), Mack Hansen, Robbie Henshaw (if he's still standing), Hugo Keenan, James Lowe (?), Jimmy O’Brien (?), Garry Ringrose, Jamie Osborne

    A conservative guess would be 14



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Jamie Osborne - zero Irish caps, part of a "conservative" estimate for the Lions.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    The old uncapped Lions bolter days are long gone



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  • Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭ Benjamin Cold Sorbet


    No, this isn't the case. The official confirmation is out and it says he'll step away before the November Internationals.



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