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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    (after retrieving it from the recycling pile)

    Yes, amazingly. Has "EU:" and their Dutch importer listed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,545 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Tiniest / hardest to read print I've ever seen on a beer can though

    vocation black forest gateaux.jpg

    The other can I bought on Monday was May Contain Sixpence, no Re-Turn symbol on that though.

    Presumably the brewer still has to pay up for these labelled cans released early?

    Must remember not to crush this one after I drink it 😁

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    My one was... bah, I'm not going back to the sodding bin again, but the mass market IPA and had the same teeny tiny text.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,545 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Anyone tried Kinnegar Low Tide?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yeah. It's a little thin but more interesting than most other 0.5 products.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,545 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Other half opened one last night and asked me to taste, we weren't sure if it was gone off or not which is really not a good sign.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭Pen Rua


    I believe Low Tide had a recipe tweak and it is now 1% ABV, as opposed to the 0.5% previously

    https://www.kinnegarbrewing.ie/stories/low-tide

    The next Brewers At Play is due to be a low alcohol (1%) IPA.

    https://x.com/kinnegarbrewing/status/1736058802208661773?s=46&t=wyBQBLlE_5FkH__21DnApg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Tinter Box


    I wonder will we see Irish breweries offering discounts to shift beer that doesn’t have the new recycling/return systems built in.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    There's a transition period, producers can sell non-logo stock to distributors/retailers until 16th March and by 1st June all stock must be logoed so there's time there to sell through. The larger retailers will have their own rules of course for stock management, some are not taking non-logo stock from now already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I can guarantee that some retailers are going to start asking for the deposit on every container long before all their stock is logoed up. Teething problem that can't last beyond June but will be annoying.

    And not something a random check out staff member will be able to fix either so they're not the ones to complain to



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,680 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I think I saw Ballykilcavan say in the autumn that they would only be bottling some of their line up to avoid issues.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    The barcode system is a bit complicated for producers but if retailers have their POS systems up to date for the scheme then it shouldn't incorrectly charge if they can't get the deposit back, but for smaller/independent retailers I can see how that might not be the case.

    For example - an existing product gets a new barcode for DRS stock - only the new barcodes that are scanned will charge the deposit and therefore can be returned to consumer. International use barcodes have allowances now as well for the transition period, as long as the barcode is registered, logo or no logo.

    Worth noting that the deposit needs to be listed as a separate line item on the display price and receipt (in person or online stores), it can't be bundled into the total price displayed. We'll see how that goes in practice!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,545 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Tried another one, distinct whiff of cat wee off it.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,545 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Surely there is a different UPC number on the product with logo as opposed to the same product without.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,044 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    The Simcoe hops style of cat-pee, or the TCP variant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yes, but I expect messing / incompetence (more likely the latter than the former really) nonetheless.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Dawned on me how stupid this scheme is. Now I scrunch up my cans and pop them in the recycling. If I want to turn in my cans for the DRS I now have to Neri them intact and revenge to bring them shopping with me. Sounds like a scheme vividly asked for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Its the same as used in multiple other EU countries, multiple US states and basically the same (but with computers) as what we had here til the 70s.

    There's people over in AH/CA claiming older people won't ever understand the scheme when they pretty much lived through the exact same thing, before it was decided that binning plastics was a better idea.

    I used RVMs in Oregon in 2014 on a basically identical system; and higher capacity ones with Germans's awkward system back in December. It isn't hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,079 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What was the 70s system here ?

    I know people used to bring tonic bottles to pubs but I never knew we had a deposit return scheme for recycling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Pretty much every glass bottle and sometimes even jars had a deposit element to their pricing; every shop of any scale handled returns - entirely manually. Companies that didn't operate that system would have "no deposit - no return" on the label or even embossed in the glass. I remember an Irish soft drinks brand still having that on their labels in the 90s, possibly TK, and on 2L PET bottles that were never returned!

    It was for reuse first, recycling second (heavily worn or damaged bottles would break on cleaning, that glass would be recycled).

    Germany has a deposit rate for reusable glass, its 8c I believe, but they have to go back to where sold them which is a faff - albeit exactly how it used to bed.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,381 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    I see my local Spar has one of the new machines ready to go, but how will the refund scheme work? If I return bottles and cans in the Spar, will I have to use the refund voucher there or can I use it in any shop that has a machine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,982 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The shops own the machines so the voucher is tied to the shop.

    You can get cash for the voucher and spend that anywhere nearly anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,381 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Cheers, I didn't realise that the vouchers could be exchanged for cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    The price of all glass bottles for minerals/soda (if not more? I don't think it used to include milk bottles) used to have a deposit included. Don't know when it stopped. Giving away my age, but in the early 80s, getting the deposits back funded our sweets and comics buying during the school holidays - especially when we found a way in to a local building site that didn't have a security guard. We'd clear it out of bottles every evening, bring them to a local shop, and get the equivalent of our weekly pocket money! Next day, rinse and repeat.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,545 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The former.

    Didn't taste too objectionable but nothing to like about it either. Will stick to Peroni when I want a 0.0-1%

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,279 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Something similar with us.

    The supermarket (Five Star) used to put the empties in crates and throw them outside the back door.

    The same Lucozade bottles were recycled about six times a day 😂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    A question about Kinnegar - have they changed brewers, or recipes, recently?

    I was never a big fan - I always found their beers were too carbonated, or something? But I was out for dinner last weekend and choice of beer was limited. Didn't fancy anything from that English lad, Conor McGregor's brewery, so ordered a Scraggy Bay (bottled in mid December), and my god, it was delicious! First 5-star rating of the year. Went to the pub after, where I had another pint (on draft) that wasn't quite as good, but was still lovely.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 5,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭irish_goat


    No change of personnel as far as I know and Rick would still be in charge of output regardless. The recipes would change slightly over time to adjust for the variation in raw ingredients from batch to batch, but with the aim of keeping the flavour consistent rather than "improvement".

    I'm having a Scraggy right now and it's tasting as good as ever to me.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    I heard a rumour that The Porterhouse may be seeking an alternative contracting brewery (or two) to replace Mr McGregor's, and that Kinnegar may be in the frame.

    Scraggy hasn't changed, but it does vary with freshness, for obvious reasons, and isn't well kept everywhere it's sold. Rustbucket even moreso. Always ask for a taster, kids.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭tom traubert


    Speaking of Kinnegar, never seen it priced as keenly anywhere before.

    Canned in Oct. and Nov. BB dates in Jun and Jul.

    Fans and the curious might be tempted.



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